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Post by kat on Feb 24, 2009 0:03:33 GMT
^ Ooh, that's a real thinker Savanna! Maybe people's music tastes changed? Or OBTN eased them into the old stuff? I don't even know if that makes sense haha  But you know how you can hate a song when you first hear it but come to love it? It might be like that - that's not much of answer cos it's strange how that happens but do you know what I mean? (I don't even think I know what I mean - shutting up!) |
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Post by pagalawala on Feb 24, 2009 0:05:03 GMT
^ Ooh, that's a real thinker Savanna! Maybe people's music tastes changed? Or OBTN eased them into the old stuff? I don't even know if that makes sense haha But you know how you can hate a song when you first hear it but come to love it? It might be like that - that's not much of answer cos it's strange how that happens but do you know what I mean? (I don't even think I know what I mean - shutting up!) aww.. i totally understand where you'r coming from!! i remember hating a lot of songs when i was younger but now, as i listened to them over the years, i've grown to love them and appreciate them! |
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Post by Savanna on Feb 24, 2009 0:06:25 GMT
^ Ooh, that's a real thinker Savanna! Maybe people's music tastes changed? Or OBTN eased them into the old stuff? I don't even know if that makes sense haha But you know how you can hate a song when you first hear it but come to love it? It might be like that - that's not much of answer cos it's strange how that happens but do you know what I mean? (I don't even think I know what I mean - shutting up!) No Kat I totally know what you mean, and that makes a whole lot of sense! |
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Post by Savanna on Feb 24, 2009 0:08:02 GMT
Its more marketable and its easier on the ears. Its more pop. Its not some obscure southern rock record. Its a simple anthemic rock album. I don't mean to imply that being pop, simply or anthemic is negative either. So, in the end, it is our fault America. It is definitely our fault. I know, I was talking about the old material, not OBTN. |
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Post by AccuratePassion on Feb 24, 2009 0:09:17 GMT
^ Ooh, that's a real thinker Savanna! Maybe people's music tastes changed? Or OBTN eased them into the old stuff? I don't even know if that makes sense haha But you know how you can hate a song when you first hear it but come to love it? It might be like that - that's not much of answer cos it's strange how that happens but do you know what I mean? (I don't even think I know what I mean - shutting up!) aww.. i totally understand where you'r coming from!! i remember hating a lot of songs when i was younger but now, as i listened to them over the years, i've grown to love them and appreciate them! Yup. I hated Milk for the longest time. Lol. ----- It all comes down to the music changing really. Peoples taste don't change too much. Savanna: Ohhhh, I get what you're saying. I think people who were receptive to it back then but didn't invest in it will be more open to the old stuff. People who go out and buy this new record probably won't be as likely to get into the old stuff as easily. If they do like it its because these past two records have made the first two easier to digest. |
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Post by Savanna on Feb 24, 2009 0:10:44 GMT
^ I know...but what I'm saying is those same people that were indifferent to their old stuff when it came out, LIKE IT now. So obviously it is the taste changing. Do you see what I'm saying?
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Post by kat on Feb 24, 2009 0:11:03 GMT
^ Ooh, that's a real thinker Savanna! Maybe people's music tastes changed? Or OBTN eased them into the old stuff? I don't even know if that makes sense haha But you know how you can hate a song when you first hear it but come to love it? It might be like that - that's not much of answer cos it's strange how that happens but do you know what I mean? (I don't even think I know what I mean - shutting up!) No Kat I totally know what you mean, and that makes a whole lot of sense! Not many people have said that about something that's come from my brain |
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Post by kat on Feb 24, 2009 0:11:49 GMT
aww.. i totally understand where you'r coming from!! i remember hating a lot of songs when i was younger but now, as i listened to them over the years, i've grown to love them and appreciate them! Yup. I hated Milk for the longest time. Lol. ----- It all comes down to the music changing really. Peoples taste don't change too much. Yeah but if tastes don't change how come you like Milk now? (presuming you do, if not *insert other song you've come to like here* ) |
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Post by Savanna on Feb 24, 2009 0:13:19 GMT
^ exactly!
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Post by AccuratePassion on Feb 24, 2009 0:13:19 GMT
^ I know...but what I'm saying is those same people that were indifferent to their old stuff when it came out, LIKE IT now. So obviously it is the taste changing. Do you see what I'm saying? This new stuff makes them more likely to like the older stuff. I will bet though that a lot of those who like this new record won't invest as much in going that far back with their music...and if they do, they won't like it as much. |
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Post by kat on Feb 24, 2009 0:15:38 GMT
^ Ooh, that's a real thinker Savanna! Maybe people's music tastes changed? Or OBTN eased them into the old stuff? I don't even know if that makes sense haha But you know how you can hate a song when you first hear it but come to love it? It might be like that - that's not much of answer cos it's strange how that happens but do you know what I mean? (I don't even think I know what I mean - shutting up!) aww.. i totally understand where you'r coming from!! i remember hating a lot of songs when i was younger but now, as i listened to them over the years, i've grown to love them and appreciate them! Exactly, that's what I mean about tastes changing and stuff! As you get older, or just mature (not necessarily in age) things you like change too, like food, stuff you like to do, and music! If you look back at CD's you bought say a few years ago, you might look at one and think 'Why in God's name did I buy this?!' |
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Post by AccuratePassion on Feb 24, 2009 0:15:56 GMT
Yup. I hated Milk for the longest time. Lol. ----- It all comes down to the music changing really. Peoples taste don't change too much. Yeah but if tastes don't change how come you like Milk now? (presuming you do, if not *insert other song you've come to like here* ) I still don't like it that much. I guess appreciate it is the right word. My taste hasn't changed much. I'd still probably listen to that song second to last over any other (except Rememo-I can't dig that one either) I feel obligated to like it. Which could apply here. Some new school fans might feel obligated to like the old stuff just to fit in and be an uber fan. |
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Post by irishmick on Feb 24, 2009 0:16:42 GMT
its not just that because people like the new stuff they now like the old stuff.
for a lot of people the new stuff has introduced them to the old stuff. yes some where indifferent to the old music but many actually prob didnt even know about it until they got intrested in that band after only byt the night.
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Post by Savanna on Feb 24, 2009 0:18:00 GMT
Oh, yeah I totally think tastes have the ability to change. Last year I was listening to country because I was surrounded by people who did...and I actually really loved it at the time. Now I can hardly stand it.
And I don't really think people feel obligated to like the old stuff...but maybe some do. I guess it's all just a bit complicated.
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Post by AccuratePassion on Feb 24, 2009 0:19:37 GMT
aww.. i totally understand where you'r coming from!! i remember hating a lot of songs when i was younger but now, as i listened to them over the years, i've grown to love them and appreciate them! Exactly, that's what I mean about tastes changing and stuff! As you get older, or just mature (not necessarily in age) things you like change too, like food, stuff you like to do, and music! If you look back at CD's you bought say a few years ago, you might look at one and think 'Why in God's name did I buy this?!' Tastes can become refined for sure. I still they don't think they change much though. Sure, I get a little embarrased by some cds in my collection but I can def link it all together. Backstreet Boys made me appreciate pop and I discovered Abba. Some weird rock band that no ones heard of and may be a laughable CD now still helped me appreciate the good stuff (kings) later on. |
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Post by pagalawala on Feb 24, 2009 0:20:27 GMT
Oh, yeah I totally think tastes have the ability to change. Last year I was listening to country because I was surrounded by people who did...and I actually really loved it at the time. Now I can hardly stand it. And I don't really think people feel obligated to like the old stuff...but maybe some do. I guess it's all just a bit complicated. there's nothing wrong with country sav.. the boys would be the first ones to tell you that!!!! |
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Post by chichi on Feb 24, 2009 13:43:53 GMT
The coast of America (East and West) were not down with listening to something "Southern" or something as hyped as the Strokes. They did hear the songs. They just didn't invest in it. It's too bad only the East and West coast got to hear their earlier stuff. I still think if middle America got to hear it things would be a lot different. And you mentioned that radio stations play what people request. The alternative radio station here in Cleveland is a pre-programmed continuous loop of music owned by a company out-of-state with no DJ's. So for me to call up and request the Kings wouldn't work. Oddly enough, I've heard SOF 6 times on this station now and that's the first time I've ever heard KOL on Cleveland radio! McFearless, are you in the record business? If so, can you or your DJ friend answer some questions for me? I'd be interested to know the following: 1. How does he/she decide their playlist? 2. What's an example of their playlist (just list like 5 songs) 3. Do record companies every offer incentives ($$$) to get songs played? (They can be totally honest with this answer because you've never mentioned their station on here!) 4. Do you or your friend know of any record companies that directly/indirectly own radio stations? I'm still convinced that record companies get radio stations to play what they want us to hear. I'd love to be proven wrong, though, because I think that's a very sad and terrible situation. I think there was a day when local stations played new and exciting music regardless of what was on their corporate playlist, but I think those days are long gone. I grew up listening to one of the best radio stations ever, WMMS. They were responsible for breaking Bruce Springsteen and other great artists. If they wanted to play a whole album, they'd play it! WMMS is now a classic rock station that only plays Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd and AC/DC. The radio station situation here is horrible. Whoa...that was a long one. Sorry! |
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Post by handsintheair on Feb 24, 2009 18:49:24 GMT
So there are a lot of people now who HAD heard some of their old stuff back when it came out and never really thought anything of it. And now those same people love all their old stuff, whether it be because they learned more about the band or were turned on by OBTN... but how is that explained? Does that tie into anything? Radio exposed people to who they were but a lot of those people didn't actively seek them out. A lot of people are really listening to them again but for the first time, if that makes sense. Sex On Fire made their ears perk up. Then with the Grammy nods (something the last 3 albums didn't have) that got them massive exposure. It's their label that pushes their record onto the Grammy committee to get picked. The label has nothing to do with it. They got the same type of exposure in the UK but the UK audience is more receptive. The US label was offering to fly US Programmers to se them in the UK when Aha was released over there in order to get the record pushed in the States. The Bucket got airplay in major cities (its how they have been able to maintain touring) but eventually, the radio doesn't get enough calls, emails, response, for those songs so they drop it. Despite what the populous thinks, listeners run radio. Industry can try to push for it, but if the band has a history of not doing well on that station they will only play it during obscure hours or very minimally for a few weeks. Hmmm, i've gotta disagree here if you're referring to commercial rock radio. Not that i know anything about how radio stations work in the US. But I don't think it takes an expert to figure out there's a huge difference between commercial radio stations and listener-subscribed public radio (eg WXPN, KEXP) and how they determine what ends up on their station's playlist. Let's be clear here - commercial rock radio is run by advertisers, not listeners. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. Which is why public radio can take more risks in the kinds of music they play. But the problem lots of indie bands face (KOL included) is that most of the record buying public don't listen to public radio. Public radio listeners can/do play a role in determining what gets played, but it doesn't lead to wider exposure for a band because there's little to no crossover to commercial radio. Unfortunately, public radio and commercial radio are essentially separate industries in this country. I've yet to meet one person who listens to both. |
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Post by AccuratePassion on Feb 24, 2009 22:54:48 GMT
McFearless, are you in the record business? If so, can you or your DJ friend answer some questions for me? I'd be interested to know the following: 1. How does he/she decide their playlist? 2. What's an example of their playlist (just list like 5 songs) 3. Do record companies every offer incentives ($$$) to get songs played? (They can be totally honest with this answer because you've never mentioned their station on here!) 4. Do you or your friend know of any record companies that directly/indirectly own radio stations? I'm still convinced that record companies get radio stations to play what they want us to hear. I'd love to be proven wrong, though, because I think that's a very sad and terrible situation. I think there was a day when local stations played new and exciting music regardless of what was on their corporate playlist, but I think those days are long gone. I am not in the record business right now. I have done some work with labels but it wasn't anything major. Just promotional stuff. 1) The playlist is predetermined on a couple of things in my area: A) What listeners request B) What artists have been played before, like the Cure or 311 always get played because those are still highly requested. C) Bands that are new and have gotten a positive response from listeners. I still every much assert that what gets played is run by listeners. 2)All Dj's have to have a predetermined list of what they plan on playing before they go on air. A thirty minute set on this particular radio station is : 1) Killers new single 2) Pearl Jam 3)Kings of Leon 4)Carolina Liar 6)a local band. 3)Record companies meet with radio stations to promote their new artists or new records from other artists. However, there is NOTHING that will guarantee those records will get played. What you speak of is called PAYOLLA and is illegal. The Programming Director of the station has final say in what gets played and he can pick and choose based on what he knows the audience will like based of statistics like emails, call in's, and local record sales and what he likes that he thinks they will like based off his own ear. Lucky for us the Programming Director in our area is really knowledgeable and respected in the industry and never does anything illegal. Also an example, record companies can say "hey I have some free cds for you to give away to listeners" and station will give them away and play a song but there is nothing that says they HAVE to give them away to listeners or that they have to play it more than once. Like I said the station has offered someone at this station a trip to the UK to see the Kings so he could get excited about them but this person declined to take the trip. That is because this station still has integrity. I can't really speak for the rest of the country. It is illegal though so I would like to think it isn't happening en masse. 4)No definitely not. I don't think that is legal either but I'm not sure. Hmmm, i've gotta disagree here if you're referring to commercial rock radio. Not that i know anything about how radio stations work in the US. But I don't think it takes an expert to figure out there's a huge difference between commercial radio stations and listener-subscribed public radio (eg WXPN, KEXP) and how they determine what ends up on their station's playlist. Let's be clear here - commercial rock radio is run by advertisers, not listeners. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. Which is why public radio can take more risks in the kinds of music they play. But the problem lots of indie bands face (KOL included) is that most of the record buying public don't listen to public radio. Public radio listeners can/do play a role in determining what gets played, but it doesn't lead to wider exposure for a band because there's little to no crossover to commercial radio. Unfortunately, public radio and commercial radio are essentially separate industries in this country. I've yet to meet one person who listens to both. There is a difference. Listeners subscribe pay for their services. Advertisers do not run stations. They pay for commercial time but there is no reason why an advertiser would want to push for a certain audience. Advertisers, on radio stations are not record companies. They are the car insurance company, or a jewelry store or something. They have no interest in what gets played. The station needs listeners to get advertisers interested so thats is why they play what the listeners what. Maybe I am just in a unique market because a lot of what gets played on the radio ends up selling records in this area. How much they have to do with each other I don't really know but to say there isn't one would be discrediting both the listeners and radio. |
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Post by chichi on Feb 25, 2009 13:32:48 GMT
Thanks Mcfearless....karma coming your way!
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