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Post by missus on Feb 23, 2009 3:27:59 GMT
For what it's worth... I've lived in the States for six years and never heard KoL until I tuned into Australia's Triple J Hottest 100 on the internet in January this year.
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Post by rockchick26 on Feb 23, 2009 4:58:57 GMT
the fact that american radio is finally catching on is something that the boys have aspired to for the majority of their career.. so if you are correlating american radio as shit to the new music of KoL.. well, to each his/her own..I LOVE the new album. I don't think it's their best by any means, but it's still great! But isn't American radio just playing SOF for the most part? The song Jared has described as a "quirky filler song"? The one Caleb was considering not even putting on the album? The most popular KOL song is their filler song. That speaks volumes to me about "the masses'" taste in music..and American mainstream radio.. now that they're more popular in the States, do you think people will embrace their older music? I hope so! I am really behind on this thread,wow. I have to say that Sex on Fire may be their filler song,but it is better than anything else on American radio. The bar is pretty low,as far as what is good on the radio. I got into them because of this song,but after i discovered the rest of their stuff,I realized they were WAY better than i previously thought. But i'll still always love SOF because i owe my KOL fanship to that song! Is fanship a word? lol You guys know what I mean!  |
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Post by rockchick26 on Feb 23, 2009 5:06:09 GMT
and from the first page, chairlover was talking about actively seeking new bands, reading blogs, readings magazines etc. I both agree and disagree on this point. I myself just got out of high school and spent most of it procrastinating and finding new music on the internet, plus I buy upwards of 6 different magazines a month and they all have music sections / are about music. So I can see why you think everyone does this! But yeah not everyone has as much time on there hands as we do  When i see people say this,it really makes me happy about my website i'm making  I do have the time and motivation to find new music,and i've been finding that most people don't even know 75% of the music that is out there. And after missing out on liking the Kings all these years (i've only been a fan for 3 months),i want to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else. |
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Post by down_with_sleeves on Feb 23, 2009 5:08:58 GMT
oOoooo you're making a website!!?..i would definitely love to check it out when you're all done with it!
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Post by rockchick26 on Feb 23, 2009 5:12:11 GMT
I agree that the record company didn't push the band enough in the States, but I also think that it wasn't worth their while back around Y&YM and ASH. They couldn't force music like that into the mainstream in America...it wasn't going to fit. Personally, I think if American radio would have ever played The Bucket, Happy Alone, Taper Jean Girl, etc......KOL would be absolutely HUGE over here now. Everyone assumes Americans have such mainstream taste in music, but I don't feel that's the case at all. We're dying to hear new stuff over here!! That's why I enjoy this forum so much - I've discovered a lot of great new music from people on here and for that I'm very grateful!! I've been trying to figure out if that would have happened or not. Because to me,there are almost 2 types of music fans. The type that listen to the radio,download the biggest hits/singles that they like,and don't even know the band members names. Then there are the fans that actively search out new music,listen to their own music collections rather than the radio,and strive to own every album by a band they have even a mild interest in. And I dont think the people in that first group would appreciate the Kings' older stuff. I know my "top 40 musically limited" friends would immediately comment on how different it sounds. And to them different doesn't mean good. |
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Post by rockchick26 on Feb 23, 2009 5:17:23 GMT
I think that the fact that SoF is their first hit on American radio can be explained best by that fact that Nickelback is the hugest act on most US rock stations. Thatto me explains it all. Are you saying SOF is of lesser quality than the rest of their songs? I am a Nickelback fan but I can totally tell the difference between their type of music and the Kings' music. Actually,unless somebody owns all of NB's albums,they would only be able to judge by what the radio plays. I have most of NB's albums,and what the radio plays is WORLDS apart from the rest of it. It's a lot darker and heavier. It's almost like they switch from radio mode to their true sound. |
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Post by rockchick26 on Feb 23, 2009 5:23:29 GMT
oOoooo you're making a website!!?..i would definitely love to check it out when you're all done with it! Yeah it's gonna cover every rock band I can find,i am like,addicted to discovering new bands,and i hate the fact that there is music out there that i dont know! I know its a tough job but i plan on having every rock music artist that i know of on there,and i'll continue to discover new ones. It'll give a biography of the band and then have album reviews,concert reviews,all the basic facts of each band that is necessary...probably more eventually once i get the bulk of it done. I only have the homepage done now though so it'll be weeks if not months til it's ready to be seen. |
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Post by down_with_sleeves on Feb 23, 2009 5:34:02 GMT
eeek i think i have been waiting for a website like that to come along my whole life!! definitely keep us HAers updated on how it's goin!
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Post by rockchick26 on Feb 23, 2009 11:16:42 GMT
eeek i think i have been waiting for a website like that to come along my whole life!! definitely keep us HAers updated on how it's goin! yeah i've noticed all the other sites i've gone to were shit compared to how cool mine is gonna be! I'm running into a lot of issues though,so it'll be a while  |
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Post by linkin10 on Feb 23, 2009 11:21:22 GMT
nickleback r ok
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Post by chichi on Feb 23, 2009 13:25:01 GMT
Their label did promote them properly. I completely disagree with that point. I know a few people in radio and they would get played. People were not picking up on it though. Or at least no the masses. Just accept the fact that the American masses like radio friendly songs. But I think a lot of their earlier work was radio friendly. I still think American's musical tastes aren't as bland as everyone assumes. For instance, the White Stripes are huge over here. A girl and a drum and a guy with a guitar - nothing radio friendly or "mainstream" about that. I guess we'll never know if they would be huge right now over here if the masses heard their earlier stuff....and I still stand by my statement that the majority of Americans (not just people in LA or NY) never got to hear it, but if we would have it would be a totally different story. Interesting note: I think America may be starting to discover their backlog of music - I just heard California Waiting during a golf tournament yesterday on TV!! |
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Post by kim111 on Feb 23, 2009 15:38:18 GMT
Personally, I think if American radio would have ever played The Bucket, Happy Alone, Taper Jean Girl, etc......KOL would be absolutely HUGE over here now. Everyone assumes Americans have such mainstream taste in music, but I don't feel that's the case at all. We're dying to hear new stuff over here!! That's why I enjoy this forum so much - I've discovered a lot of great new music from people on here and for that I'm very grateful!! I've been trying to figure out if that would have happened or not. Because to me,there are almost 2 types of music fans. The type that listen to the radio,download the biggest hits/singles that they like,and don't even know the band members names. Then there are the fans that actively search out new music,listen to their own music collections rather than the radio,and strive to own every album by a band they have even a mild interest in. And I dont think the people in that first group would appreciate the Kings' older stuff. I know my "top 40 musically limited" friends would immediately comment on how different it sounds. And to them different doesn't mean good. i totally fit into both catagory's when i fall in love with a band i find every thing about them but i also dont actively seek out new bands i like to get stuff reccommended from friends whose musical taste i trust but that also extends to getting things reccommended by radio dj's like zane lowe, jo whiley, huw stevens and colin murray and others. |
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Post by AccuratePassion on Feb 23, 2009 23:29:36 GMT
Their label did promote them properly. I completely disagree with that point. I know a few people in radio and they would get played. People were not picking up on it though. Or at least no the masses. Just accept the fact that the American masses like radio friendly songs. But I think a lot of their earlier work was radio friendly. I still think American's musical tastes aren't as bland as everyone assumes. For instance, the White Stripes are huge over here. A girl and a drum and a guy with a guitar - nothing radio friendly or "mainstream" about that. I guess we'll never know if they would be huge right now over here if the masses heard their earlier stuff....and I still stand by my statement that the majority of Americans (not just people in LA or NY) never got to hear it, but if we would have it would be a totally different story. Interesting note: I think America may be starting to discover their backlog of music - I just heard California Waiting during a golf tournament yesterday on TV!! It was but people weren't open to it. Espesh because they got pegged with the "Southern Strokes" label. The coast of America (East and West) were not down with listening to something "Southern" or something as hyped as the Strokes. They did hear the songs. They just didn't invest in it. A way you can tell their label put in effort is by where their music would show up. They had 2 car commercials and had songs in a bunch of movies. |
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Post by Savanna on Feb 23, 2009 23:38:21 GMT
So there are a lot of people now who HAD heard some of their old stuff back when it came out and never really thought anything of it. And now those same people love all their old stuff, whether it be because they learned more about the band or were turned on by OBTN... but how is that explained? Does that tie into anything?
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Post by rockchick26 on Feb 23, 2009 23:46:07 GMT
[ I still think American's musical tastes aren't as bland as everyone assumes. For instance, the White Stripes are huge over here. A girl and a drum and a guy with a guitar - nothing radio friendly or "mainstream" about that. The White Stripes arent as popular as people think,here...they rarely tour here,i had tickets once but they cancelled and never rescheduled and that was 3 years ago. I dont know anyone else who likes them except for "Seven Nation Army OMG I LOVE THAT SONG!" yeah cuz its all they know. |
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Post by rockchick26 on Feb 23, 2009 23:49:25 GMT
So there are a lot of people now who HAD heard some of their old stuff back when it came out and never really thought anything of it. And now those same people love all their old stuff, whether it be because they learned more about the band or were turned on by OBTN... but how is that explained? Does that tie into anything? This happens to me a lot. I can hear a band but not think anything of them,until the next time i hear about them. It's wierd,it's kinda like I need to be exposed to something twice,maybe 3 times,in order to really have it click. There are exceptions,of course. But generally I get into a band much better if I had previously heard them once or twice. I guess it's kinda the same as when you listen to a song for the first time,you can't really say with 100% certainty how you feel about it,until you've heard it a few more times. |
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Post by AccuratePassion on Feb 23, 2009 23:55:41 GMT
So there are a lot of people now who HAD heard some of their old stuff back when it came out and never really thought anything of it. And now those same people love all their old stuff, whether it be because they learned more about the band or were turned on by OBTN... but how is that explained? Does that tie into anything? Radio exposed people to who they were but a lot of those people didn't actively seek them out. A lot of people are really listening to them again but for the first time, if that makes sense. Sex On Fire made their ears perk up. Then with the Grammy nods (something the last 3 albums didn't have) that got them massive exposure. It's their label that pushes their record onto the Grammy committee to get picked. The label has nothing to do with it. They got the same type of exposure in the UK but the UK audience is more receptive. The US label was offering to fly US Programmers to se them in the UK when Aha was released over there in order to get the record pushed in the States. The Bucket got airplay in major cities (its how they have been able to maintain touring) but eventually, the radio doesn't get enough calls, emails, response, for those songs so they drop it. Despite what the populous thinks, listeners run radio. Industry can try to push for it, but if the band has a history of not doing well on that station they will only play it during obscure hours or very minimally for a few weeks. |
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Post by Savanna on Feb 23, 2009 23:59:17 GMT
that still doesn't really answer my question though, but maybe it's unanswerable? I mean what changed in people's ears that made them like the OLD stuff now more than before, when they'd first heard it?
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Post by Eden on Feb 24, 2009 0:01:33 GMT
I have a friend in Virginia and he says they're not at all popular where he is. No airplay, never on TV - nothing.  Then you come to the UK and they're literally, everywhere. It's a crying shame. |
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Post by AccuratePassion on Feb 24, 2009 0:01:50 GMT
Its more marketable and its easier on the ears. Its more pop. Its not some obscure southern rock record. Its a simple anthemic rock album.
I don't mean to imply that being pop, simply or anthemic is negative either.
So, in the end, it is our fault America. It is definitely our fault.
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