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Post by blackcat on Feb 12, 2009 5:21:44 GMT
it's not like we heard their music..REJECTED them..and then are giving them another chance.. once again..UK and basically everywhere else BUT the states have killer radio stations..im not gunna apologize for america not catchin on earlier..we are products of our friggin environment..what do u expect? ..who cares what happened in the past..just because we caught on later than the rest of the world doesn't mean we're any less of fans than everyone else..personally i feel like i have loved them for years even tho i havent..and that feeling wont ever change live in the nowwww Cass, I luv thee... Also just to add, personally I heard about them through my old boss (who yes is American) back in the summer of 2008. I fell in love with their music, and not to be cliché or corny, but their entire album collection got me through a really rough period in my life. I can't describe what it is I feel when I hear their songs, and I can't describe to anyone why it is I had tears running down my face through Cold Desert & Trani @msg. I just know that I have never felt this way about an artist or band, EVER. I don't feel like I need to excuse myself for not knowing about them sooner, I just know that once they came into my life I became a loyal fan no better or no worse then any other real KOL fan. |
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Post by down_with_sleeves on Feb 12, 2009 5:32:30 GMT
HOLLERRR JEN!!!!
ohh man it feels amazingggg to know people are on the same page as me..this is why i seriously love this forum..and youuu of course!!
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Post by pagalawala on Feb 12, 2009 6:06:23 GMT
the kings themselves do not care about the precise date and time you first fell in love with their music.. if they did care more about this fact, then the entire setlist would be full of YAYM and ASH with some B-sides thrown in there for shits and giggles but it's not.. they want more fans, they want a broader audience and they know that they might have to risk a few to gain 100 and they have..
the fact that american radio is finally catching on is something that the boys have aspired to for the majority of their career..so if you are correlating american radio as shit to the new music of KoL.. well, to each his/her own..
the fans that have accepted this evolution and have been willing to embrace the newer wave of fans, this new sound in their music, just like the boys of the kings have.. instead of turning their backs on the music they supposedly loved for all these years are the foundations in which the success of KoL have been able to flourish.. they are that loyal fan base that caleb thanked at what was probably the biggest day of a little Nashiville-based band called KINGS OF LEON's career on January 29, 2009 at Madison Square Garden in New York City..
our boys are finally getting the attention that they know and we all know they deserved for sooooo many years.. so let's just drink to that!
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Post by Banana Sam on Feb 12, 2009 7:50:16 GMT
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Post by lardydar on Feb 12, 2009 9:33:57 GMT
Well said Arlyn, Cass, Jen... I've never understood why people can't just be happy for the band they claim to love. As said, it's what the chaps have aspired to and worked towards for so long, they've finally got their time to bask in the glow of unconditional lurrrrrve and adoration.
Partic Jen's post at the top - karmic arse kicking coming your way lady ^^^ I can only imagine how sublime Cold Desert and Trani must've been at MSG, I was a wreck after them at Nottingham... *sniff*
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Post by down_with_sleeves on Feb 12, 2009 9:42:59 GMT
thanks lardylar for agreeing with us!!..what's weird/funny is that arlyn, jen, and i all went to MSG together..and now we're all meetin up again to go to the fairfax, VA and philly show together with Jas..pretty sure we're all gunna be blubbering babies when Cold Desert and Trani come on..thanks again for seein our side of things at least  i think someone wants a karma spankinnnnnnn..and ur gunna get it! |
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Post by lardydar on Feb 12, 2009 11:01:12 GMT
Yay! The MSG pics are fab, so nice to put faces to names  and call me Rach...I'm beginning to question the wisdom of picking an SN with the word LARD in it... *slaps face* |
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Post by down_with_sleeves on Feb 12, 2009 11:11:26 GMT
haha hey rach! do you plan on going to any shows this year..would definitely love to meet another HAer
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Post by lardydar on Feb 12, 2009 11:28:29 GMT
haha hey rach! do you plan on going to any shows this year..would definitely love to meet another HAer Hopefully Oxegen, hubby's getting my ticket for my birthday (it's on 10th July WOOT!)...just need to enlist a buddy to come with, all my mates are preggers or newly offsprung whereas my breeding days are WAAAAY done, two's enough for anyone... So yup, festy here I come |
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Post by down_with_sleeves on Feb 12, 2009 11:31:56 GMT
oh niice..well i know the girls from ireland who came to the MSG show are going to Oxegen..they even made a petition thread to get the americans to come over for the festival lol
i swear the irish are such friggin sweathearts! i would really love to be able to make it over there for it..i dont even think i could consider buying a ticket for it for another month because all the US gigs tix are going on sale this weekend and next weekend..and i plan on going to about 6 of them..so that's gunna drain my funds like no otherr
ooOOooohhh the things we do for our boys..
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Post by chichi on Feb 12, 2009 13:36:58 GMT
I'm a firm believer that people don't determine what is played on the radio, but record companies and radio stations do. Does anyone remember reading about the infamous Payola scandal that went on in the 50's? That was when record companies were busted for bribing radio stations to play certain songs. Then it happened again later with the "Pay to Play" scandal. In my opinion, this kind of practice is still going strong.
For instance, the only 'alternative' radio station in my average-sized American city....isn't even in this city. I think the corporation is based in Texas, which is a state that is 2000 miles away. And all it is is a continuous loop of what they deem 'hip' new music: RHCP, Stone Temple Pilots, and the Dave Matthews Band. They don't even have any DJ's. So there is absolutely no way for me to call and request a song - it's all pre-programmed music. Then there's the local Top 40 station. They probably won't even know who KOL is until they have a top 40 hit. And if the DJ's do like KOL, they probably aren't allowed to play their music because they have such a strict format to follow.
Everyone I know who has been fortunate to stumble across KOL in the early days has absolutely fallen in love with them - we were so happy to hear something new and different. And I think if America had the chance to hear them a long time ago, they would be hugely popular over here now and wouldn't be feeling the pressure to appeal to America's mainstream radio....which seems to be frustrating to them right now.
I think the fact that the boys are so good, along with the fact that they've toured their asses off over here in the States and slowly built up a huge following, made their record company finally sit up and take notice with $$$$ in their eyes. That's why they decided to suddenly start promoting them now.......and I guess that's what bugs me.
Instead of asking the American fans "where were you in '03 & '04?" they should be asking their record company that question.
Okay, I'm done with my rant now.
Good job boys...carry on!
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Post by chairlover on Feb 12, 2009 15:03:35 GMT
the fact that american radio is finally catching on is something that the boys have aspired to for the majority of their career.. so if you are correlating american radio as shit to the new music of KoL.. well, to each his/her own..I LOVE the new album. I don't think it's their best by any means, but it's still great! But isn't American radio just playing SOF for the most part? The song Jared has described as a "quirky filler song"? The one Caleb was considering not even putting on the album? The most popular KOL song is their filler song. That speaks volumes to me about "the masses'" taste in music..and American mainstream radio.. now that they're more popular in the States, do you think people will embrace their older music? I hope so! |
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Post by chichi on Feb 12, 2009 15:13:15 GMT
now that they're more popular in the States, do you think people will embrace their older music? I hope so! I have faith that they will too!! |
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Post by handsintheair on Feb 12, 2009 15:52:24 GMT
This thread has really stirred something in me. I feel like there is a big gaping hole somewhere and someone needs to fill it. By that i mean,there are so many different ways to discover new music,but most people don't have the time,so they are 'forced" to listen to the radio,and it's a vicious circle. If the public doesnt have time to research good music,they'll listen to the radio,which in turn tells the industry 'this is what we like'. So,we unwillingly bring more of it upon our bleeding ears And being an American,i hear it ALL the time about how everyone hates the radio so much! But we're stuck. So it's a conundrum,and I intend to find a way to fix it I've been thinking about what I want to do for a living,for years,ever since my job started getting slow,and now that i'm laid off,i have many doors of opportunity ready to open up for me,I just have to find which door I should knock on. Sorry this is a bit of a personal post,but i wish i could give you all karma for making me think about this. I really want to do something to help the state of the music industry these days,and to bring the best music FOR EACH PERSON,to everyone. Are you anywhere near the Twin Cities area? If so, you've got one of the best alternative music stations right in your own backyard.  minnesota.publicradio.org/ |
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Post by down_with_sleeves on Feb 12, 2009 16:24:54 GMT
But isn't American radio just playing SOF for the most part? The song Jared has described as a "quirky filler song"? The one Caleb was considering not even putting on the album? The most popular KOL song is their filler song. That speaks volumes to me about "the masses'" taste in music..and American mainstream radio.. now that they're more popular in the States, do you think people will embrace their older music? I hope so! SOF is the "most popular KOL song" on the radio because it's the ONLY ONE ON THE RADIO..only recently has Use Somebody come on the air..at least around me. and the fact that this "speaks volumes" about our taste in music is..yet again..quite a bold generalization. it's not our taste in music that decides what gets played on the radio..that is legit in the control of the record label and radio station. and how can it even be a question whether or not americans will embrace their older music? we're here on the forum aren't we?..us Americans here can't have a legit conversation about KoL without knowing a majority, if not all, of their discography. i dont think Americans would go through the trouble of becoming a member of this forum just to talk about SOF. like i dont know how many times we have to stress how us, as listeners, have little to no control over what is fed to our ears via the radio waves. the most we could do is change the station to another then to another then to another. and i find it unreasonable to expect for americans to immediately convert to legit die-hard KoL fans when SOF came out only a few months ago on the radio. you can't expect everyone to become so involved and in love with them instantly..obviously people do though.. Exhibit A *points to myself* did the UK take a MASSIVE liking to them when their first song hit the radio? I DONT KNOW..why dont i know?..because i wasnt there. just like people from abroad dont understand what American radio is actually like until you spend time here and hear it for yourself. im not here making assumptions about anyone else's culture or society. so i don't know why all of a sudden Americans are being lumped into a category of musical fools with no taste in music. i said it before and i'll say it again..the kings are a hit on the radio now..more people are falling in love with them..we're not rejecting them at all..we never have because they we're barely ever on the radio to begin with..so why cant we just celebrate in their success instead of wondering why they havent reached this pinnacle milestone earlier in the states.. like the thread states.."It's Not Our Fault"..and im sorry but it feels friggin good to say that, for once, Americans aren't to blame for this one. thank you..and good day |
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Post by pagalawala on Feb 12, 2009 16:49:25 GMT
I LOVE the new album. I don't think it's their best by any means, but it's still great! But isn't American radio just playing SOF for the most part? The song Jared has described as a "quirky filler song"? The one Caleb was considering not even putting on the album? The most popular KOL song is their filler song. That speaks volumes to me about "the masses'" taste in music..and American mainstream radio.. now that they're more popular in the States, do you think people will embrace their older music? I hope so! what i'm getting from you is: SOF, filler song, not their best work therefore American "masses": don't know any better.. well then this is where the entire debate started.. why don't they know any better? would it have made any difference if Use Somebody (which is getting as much airplay) was released first.. would the American masses' musical taste be more justified because they came to like the non-filler song first? even then, the world would still be criticizing.. but stop criticizing the American fans who were not exposed to their music from the beginning.. not everyone can afford satellite radios so that they could tune into their fav Indie Alt-Rock station.. i love the new album as well but what if the public was never made aware of the fact that SOF was a filler song in the first place.. then would that fact even matter?  sometimes good songs happen accidentally. i have faith that people will embrace KoL's earlier works as a result to their liking of SOF.. i know for a fact that it can happen for i've had close friends get lured in by SOF who are then humming the melody of Talihina Sky a few days later.. so there is hope and the boys saw that or else they would have given up on the American masses years ago..
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Post by lauralimonada on Feb 12, 2009 16:50:15 GMT
Chichi, I had a very similar experience back in 2007 when KOL was promoting BOTT and they were going to play Coachella. I was writing for my university's paper and wanted to interview them before their appearance at Coachella. I got denied, denied, denied. I went to a campus of 33,000 students, think of the impact that article could have made. But you know what? Maybe KOL was waiting for their success in America to be as seamless and easy as in the UK where people instantly loved them. I think it's a case of both "nature and nurture" where in general American audiences have crappy tastes AND KOL's management sucked at promoting them... Everyone is right, everyone is wrong. DON'T FIGHT! |
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Post by KOLluvah on Feb 12, 2009 17:27:57 GMT
now that they're more popular in the States, do you think people will embrace their older music? I hope so! Cheers to that. I've noticed that their older vids on youtube have gotten a heck of a lot more views since the 'Sex on Fire' vid came out. A lot of people had no idea who KOL was until SOF was released and I think it's great to see people embrace their older music along with the new. |
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Post by Savanna on Feb 12, 2009 19:02:59 GMT
Cass and Jenn, I agree with EVERYTHING you guys have said and feel the exact same way!! Nice to know some people feel the same way I do |
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Post by frufoobus on Feb 12, 2009 21:32:22 GMT
i mostly read this whole thread now and i have to say that i can rely to all the points that were made. i mean i come from germany, so i don't really have ANY idea how radio works in the states, but i do know how it is over here. and though i have the luck to live in berlin and get to listen to a wonderful indie-station, the german mainstream radio discovered kol just because of sof. and i totally don't have anything against people who discovered kol recently and share the love now, but i have a problem with all those latest-trends-people, who just listen to obtn and/ or just give a damn about their looks. for example i have this friend, who called us the other day and we chattet a bit and suddenly she said something about kol. she was like: ok, so the record company told them to change their looks to sell some records or what? to please some ladies, huh? well and sof is quite hot. are their any tickets for their show?
my sis and i were like WTF???
so my point is... i love all music-lovers and i don't give a damn, if they get their music through radio, mags, internet, friends or however they get their infos and how long they are into a band (some things take longer), but i do have a problem with all those hip-guys and the mainstream radio, who has not any soul for music and how they and those massive record-companies decide what people, who don't are part of the indie/alternative/underground or whatever scene and don't have the energy to search for music, decide what those people listen to and what not and how often and when. and why they decide that sof is the song to be. i simply don't get it and would have never expect it that way. and don't get me started to ramble about music-television anyway.
well honestly i lost my focus now and really have no idea where i wanted to go. maybe i just wanted to get that off of my chest and wanted to say, that this thread is really some brain-food. so thanks for that!
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sometimes good songs happen accidentally.
