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Post by mystique on Jul 26, 2010 9:07:18 GMT
^I was just going to say that people were taking all this a bit too seriously. Of course it sucks to be at a concert that gets cancelled after only 3 songs, but they're not the first band to pull off something like that. And I definitely can't see people stop buying their records just because of this. Oasis and Guns 'n Roses and many more acted like this all the time and still got respected for their music throughout, no matter how often they pissed off their fans with shit like this. It's not that big of a deal really.
And I agree that it probably wasn't solely the band's decision. If it was really announced the show would be canceled 2 minutes after the band went off stage there were obviously people backstage discussing this already. I can't imagine them going off stage and just saying "We're cancelling" and everyone thinking "OK, cool, we'll annouce that in a minute". The venue people must have had a say in this too and they were obviously aware of the problem beforehand to act this quickly.
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Post by Helene on Jul 26, 2010 9:28:46 GMT
I didnt want to post as its getting ridiculous, and as I wasnt there I thought it would be pointless, but now I feel like posting, the more I read and the more I realise that what I dreaded is happening, one member's fit and the whole band is tarred with the same brush.
2 pages of rant, what do you think you are going to achieve ? Are you going to burn their cds, stop being fans because of what happend ? (if you do then seriously, you were not a true fan in the first place).
Seriously, we all understand it wasnt nice. But think about how long they've been playing, and how few gigs they canceled, in 8 years, I remember in early 2009 or was it late 2008 they had to cancel at the last minute befor a show in spain because some of them were ill, you still had people saying it was a disgrace and blah blah, but the gig hadnt even started that time, no matter why they would cancel they will never win, I have even seen a video of the st louis show on youtube, at the end you see someone giving them the middle finger and calling them pussies, such gesture coming from a 'fan' is what I could also called 'disgusting'. Being shat on is disgusting and I really dont see why they should have gone through all this, all in the name of a gig (there were about five or six pigeons, I heard, or more) go on a bloody stage and try to play like that, but I forgot, you were not on stage. I agree they should have given more explanations, instead of just walking off like that, definitely.
Its not like they are becoming totally unreliable, shit happens (sorry, no pun intended) but what can we do about it ? You could ask me what if it had happend to me when I was going to see them ? Sure I would be annoyed, but at the end of the day there would be nothing I could do about it, would I stop being a fan ? Absolutely not.
As for 'I traveled ___ hours to get there', well when you go to a gig its always a risk, you could have burst a tyre as well for all we know.
rant over, I think we should all move on.
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Post by AccuratePassion on Jul 26, 2010 9:39:58 GMT
Savanna, I just think that going in expecting something besides a show will lead to disappointment.
Punkpad: I was not there, you're right. But I don't think that anything the Kings do merits a fanatic cussing at them or calling Jared a diva bitch. Of course, we are all entitled to our feelings and thoughts, but to go out and blatantly call him out like that to Nathan in a public form is not okay.
Another reason why I disapprove of a lot of what's gone down is because people were speculating a lot as to what happened. Then when we did get an explanation, it wasn't good enough.
I've also been to a lot of shows by a lot of different bands and yeah, this is definitely a first. However, if you think the guys are personally going to come out and say sorry show's cancelled than you know nothing about the business. That's unrealistic.
Calebfan, I am not one of those people that defends every one of their actions. I actually stopped posting here a while ago because people here couldn't deal with fans criticizing.
Moose, funny thing is, in your humor there is a lot of truth.
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Post by Rebecka on Jul 26, 2010 11:31:10 GMT
Okey, seriously guys - I'm really upset right now. And NOT at the band. It's just as Nathan said "You may enjoy being shit on but we don't."
And for the record - Jared is a self-professed germophobe... It can't have been easy for him. And I think that the rest of the band was like "Come on Jared! We should get up there" or something backstage but he refused. That's my point of view. Of course I understand that you get upset when you have traveled a long time for the show - but I don't think that I would be angry at the band. It's not their fault.
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Post by sarah/// on Jul 26, 2010 14:35:55 GMT
I would like to point out I'm not defending their actions at all. They could have easily gone off, came back or at least apologised personally. But to an extent they don't owe us what some people seem to think they do, the courtesy to explain situations like that definitely. And a really good show which 9 times out of 10 they deliver. But like was said earlier, if you go in expecting more from them you will be let down.
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Post by calebfan13 on Jul 26, 2010 16:29:52 GMT
I agree with some postings. Yes at the same it's funny. But I can almost guarntee if it happened to any of you who don't care, you wouldn't be all ''oh well.'' And I'll leave the whole situation at that.
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Post by punkpad on Jul 26, 2010 17:25:31 GMT
I agree with some postings. Yes at the same it's funny. But I can almost guarntee if it happened to any of you who don't care, you wouldn't be all ''oh well.'' And I'll leave the whole situation at that. I completely agree with calebfan. Everyone on the board who is saying "get over it", wasn't at the show. And the band did owe us something- a show. They took our money for a concert and didn't deliver. A lot of people are still going to be out of a lot of money, even with the ticket refund. Whatever, they are prime examples of getting a big head after making it big.
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Post by tamtam on Jul 26, 2010 20:34:29 GMT
I don't want to comment too much on this because I wasn't there and I don't think it would be fair of me to criticize one way or the other.....I just feel really bad for the people who were there, especially the ones who traveled so far to see the show I did want to post this article I found (I don't think it's been posted here yet) where Caleb says that he was getting hit a few times too: www.mtv.com/news/articles/1644393/20100726/kings_of_leon.jhtmlI know the people who were there said it was only the bass players for each band that were hit but maybe they couldn't see just how bad it was from the crowd? I really hope that's it because I would hate it if KOL were lying about it Edit: After I posted this link I realized it was Jared who made the comment about getting hit several times not Caleb. Sorry!!
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Post by Savanna on Jul 26, 2010 21:25:25 GMT
I don't want to comment too much on this because I wasn't there and I don't think it would be fair of me to criticize one way or the other.....I just feel really bad for the people who were there, especially the ones who traveled so far to see the show I did want to post this article I found (I don't think it's been posted here yet) where Caleb says that he was getting hit a few times too: www.mtv.com/news/articles/1644393/20100726/kings_of_leon.jhtmlI know the people who were there said it was only the bass players for each band that were hit but maybe they couldn't see just how bad it was from the crowd? I really hope that's it because I would hate it if KOL were lying about it That looks like the same article we've been seeing, where does Caleb say that? That's all Jared talking.
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Post by tamtam on Jul 26, 2010 21:39:40 GMT
^Yeah I totally read that wrong...the person who gave me that link said it was the singer and I just realized it was Jared who said that not Caleb....sorry
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Post by guitargogether on Jul 27, 2010 5:11:58 GMT
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Post by Kingsfan517 on Jul 27, 2010 5:25:10 GMT
OK guys I don't post on here a lot I just enjoy reading what everyone has to say about the band and everything that is going on but when I do post I know what I am talking about. So you guys can take this for what you want to take it as but this from a very reliable source and it is the truth. So you guys can smite me all you want 2 I am just telling you guys what I have been told. I'm not saying the way they handled it was the right way to do it and I understand why you guys are upset by what happened but I also know for a fact that Jared did get some of that stuff in his mouth and he was sick ( throwing up) for a while after the show was canceled. I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for the band or anything but you also have to understand where they were coming from when they canceled the show for safety reasons. They are seriously upset with the show being canceled but you guys also know that they have never been the best with dealing with the public. All that being said I will admit the way they handled it by just walking off stage and not telling the fans what happened was wrong.
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Post by morag on Jul 27, 2010 6:53:44 GMT
ah angry fans are funny!!! I'm sure you'l all calm down and be excited for an other tour in a week or so's time..and then you will all laugh about that gig where a pigeon shat in Jareds mouth!!Or some of you may just use it as an excuseto dislike the kings and move on to the next popular NME band.
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Post by kultbert on Jul 27, 2010 9:33:36 GMT
lol, i can totally picture jared, the beautiful handsome vain jared...poor thing. thought this was quite a funny story to read in our local newspaper this morning but as a fan i'd be pretty upset too... how did they leave the stage? did they say anything or did they just leave and not come back? did somebody else say why they left???
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Post by Helene on Jul 27, 2010 10:08:23 GMT
www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/jul/27/stills-kings-leon-pigeon The guardian is a serious paper, right ? And to be fair, when you are 6 ft away or a tiny bit less, from the stage you cant see everything thats going ON the stage. I hope this article will bring back a sense of fairness to those people who are adament that Jared could have moved. "Thank god the shit didnt hit the fans" True but maybe if it had they would have seen how annoying it is. I just feel sad that now all papers are reporting the story, its like KOL are becoming a right laughing stock, its not nice, even when articles try to 'remind people with the ten most absurd gigs endings or alterings (sp ?)', like bowie being hit by a lollipop....
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Post by jeffica on Jul 27, 2010 10:13:33 GMT
I'm starting to be more and more ambivalent about the whole thing, I guess I can see both sides a lot more clearly after a few days... The band could have handled it better, but so could I But please - morag, this is just insulting. ah angry fans are funny!!! I'm sure you'l all calm down and be excited for an other tour in a week or so's time..and then you will all laugh about that gig where a pigeon shat in Jareds mouth!!Or some of you may just use it as an excuseto dislike the kings and move on to the next popular NME band. Can we not ever have a debate where people bring in the longevity of someone's fandom?? We are all here, ON A KINGS OF LEON FORUM! I think that straight away takes us out of the realm of half-hearted hipsters or anything like that. The whole reason we are discussing this topic is because we are all huge fans. I love Kings of Leon. I love them completely and utterly. Even though they piss me off sometimes, and even though I have criticisms over the way they handle certain things. I'm sure everyone's the same. We don't have to constantly fawn over their every move, but we all deserve a little more recognition as fans than being accused of NME cred. Sorry, I know that's not precisely on topic, and I don't mean it entirely personally, there are plenty of people that make comments like that and it really infuriates me.
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Post by becs on Jul 27, 2010 10:18:18 GMT
I think that article is good. Obviously from what he said, the 'bird' problem isn't a one-off thing, but other venues have managed to control it. It sounds a lot like the blame should be put upon the venue rather than the band like it has been.
We could go round iin circles forever arguing whether the band should have still played or not. If the venue had dealt with the issue like other venues then there wouldn't even be an issue.
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Post by jeffica on Jul 27, 2010 10:20:08 GMT
Yea, that article was a bit of an eye opener... I don't know. I'm all confuzzled.
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Post by becs on Jul 27, 2010 10:24:45 GMT
Ha I know, me too. I can see both sides and I'm sure if I was there I'd have felt dissapointed, that couldn't be avoided. But hurling abuse at the band it stupid, it won't resolve anything. Reading that article, although part of me feels thats maybe they could have held the stage a little bit longer than 3 songs, I can understand why they didn't finish the show.
At the end of the day I think the band will have been dissapointed, just as the fans who attended were, that they couldn't play.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 11:19:21 GMT
Karma when I can for Carrie's review(s) and for Becca for being a voice of reason
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