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Post by calebfan13 on Jul 25, 2010 19:15:50 GMT
I;ve learnt to accept they're gonna feel like they can pull shit like this off, and I'm not angry at them about it for some reason. But I forgot about this quote and it really angers me. Because yes, you may have gained more fans. But realistically how many of the percentage of that are actually fans who will follow you to as many gigs as they can literally afford? And actually know you've existed before 2008? And actually give a shit about things other than you playing your two most popular songs?!?! I WAS one of those fans, I loved traveling to see them live but since OBTN I won't travel or even make that much effort. I've been a fan since YYMH but their behavior and attitude toward the fans is a joke and unless they pull their finger's out a lot more people will feel the same. I will be seeing them at V this summer, we will see what happens... As for the s**t, suck it up boy's it's happened to me more time than I care to remember. I agree. We drove 6 hours there to see them in St. Louis. A bunch of us also flew to Reading last year. I used to be one of those people who would travel to see them, too. And I feel like no expalantion and walking off the other night is a slap in the face to fans. Lack of respect. Taking it all for granted. And another slap in the face when they release some PR statement from some person at their record label. I've seen them in dirty, old bars, years ago, more unsanitary. I just feel like they could care less now about their fans lately. So you want us to buy your albums, see you in concert, wait hours to see you.. yet you didn't have time to apologize and then go off stage like little girls? I won't bother seeing them for a long time now. The whole situation just hasn't sat well with me since it happened.
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Post by ArizonA on Jul 25, 2010 20:11:10 GMT
I totally agree calebfan but if they don't sort out their music I won't be buying the next album OBTN was dreadful. Rumour has it they've gone back to their roots for this next one, I'm reserving my rights for V and then we'll see.
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Post by AccuratePassion on Jul 25, 2010 20:48:31 GMT
I don't feel sad for anyone that was there that night. Especially if you travel to see them. That's a risk the individual takes. People have a right to be angry, of course, but seriously deal with it. Everyone knows the boys have always acted a certain way, always have had the persona. They are ridiculously nice still though. They paid their dues a long ass time ago. They don't owe a thing to anyone.
I totally agree this last record was not great. I respect whatever direction they're choosing to go to though.
I'm sick of being here or being on twitter and seeing and reading fans act like entitled bitches. They boys don't owe anyone anything.
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Post by julesf on Jul 25, 2010 20:51:22 GMT
I know a lot of the UK fans are going to wake up and read all of this with questions. I know a lot of the fans always stick up for KOL. But come on, this has happened TOO MANY times on every tour. Now I will always support them, but we are allowed to dislike some of the stuff they do. I think it's wrong to say ''If you're a fan you'll support whatever they do.'' That's not what a fan is. A fan should be able to call them out on stupid sh*t, you know? I'm sorry if some agree. Just really sad to see even my best friend cry over it, as she loves the boys a lot & she saved up for the hotel, gas portion, food, drinks, and ticket (yes, even if we do get a refund, still a loss). Lost some respect when they just went off stage, yet Nathan could tweet later on. YouTube ''Kings of Leon St Louis'' and go to about the 50s mark. It is what happened from tonight. See how they just went off? Oh boys, I love you... but it's hard sometimes. karma to you ! for keeping it real and keeping it all in perspective. i'm thinking if one of them couldn't deal with it, it would be jared. but man, surely a little respect and try again before giving up, at least look like you're trying to soldier on. is this the first time this has happened at this venue ? have the pigeons only recently moved in ? ok i can see that no one wants to stand and be pooed on for 2 hours but seems they gave up too quickly. it's not really good enough to just do a runner and think refunds will make everyone happy. what about travel costs ? stinks really (no pun intended ) at the end of the day maybe it is the mgt's fault for not covering every eventuality etc.
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Post by sarah/// on Jul 25, 2010 21:11:39 GMT
I don't feel sad for anyone that was there that night. Especially if you travel to see them. That's a risk the individual takes. People have a right to be angry, of course, but seriously deal with it. Everyone knows the boys have always acted a certain way, always have had the persona. They are ridiculously nice still though. They paid their dues a long ass time ago. They don't owe a thing to anyone. I totally agree this last record was not great. I respect whatever direction they're choosing to go to though. I'm sick of being here or being on twitter and seeing and reading fans act like entitled bitches. They boys don't owe anyone anything. I have to admit I agree with this. I am not saying anyone in this thread is acting like an entitled bitch or whatever, but some people really do act like the band owe them so much. We clearly all go and travel to see them as a genuine love for the band and nothing else. But this is sometimes why so many people kick off about stuff like this. We all know what they're like by now, they are human after all. I know "regular" people have off days and still have to do their job but I guess being a rock star has different meanings and whatnot. But there is a risk with travelling, like how many people went to Paris after they'd just cancelled their Spanish dates and we weren't sure until the night before when they showed up at the Brits if they'd definitely pull through. It's gonna happen, it's a pity if it's you it happens to. I was there at Reading, I actually missed the end where it all kicked off but it still hit me hard. I guess you either just have to try and put up with it or take a break from them :/ Although I do not condone swearing at them repeatedly. I'm sorry but you are risk being blocked by that. At the end of the day just cos Nate is a celebrity doesn't mean he has to act like a darling to everyone constantly. If you speak like that to someone in real life they are going to do exactly the same thing.
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Post by julesf on Jul 25, 2010 21:27:26 GMT
food for thought.
does it put you off travelling far to see them ? does me....
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Post by Savanna on Jul 25, 2010 22:02:29 GMT
^ No not for me. Because I really enjoy traveling period. Seeing KOL just adds to it.
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Post by ArizonA on Jul 25, 2010 22:07:24 GMT
I'm not saying that they aren't hard working as they tour loads and keep putting albums out and like to start playing the music for the fans as soon as they can which is great but I do think that some of the stuff that goes on with them on stage is a bit much, I can't comment on Reading I wasn't there nor did I see it on TV but I do know of shows where they have stormed off over guitars not being tuned properly. They are supposed to be professionals and should act as them it's understandable that being crapped on by birds was unpleasant but they new this was a possible problem and (according to some reports) saw the support band come off the stage covered. I think what the problem is, lack of communication all the fans wanted was an explanation from the band which is really just common curtasy and not much to ask for maybe I think they are or should be better men. Also this isn't the first time there have been problems at this venue if I was the band I would be having words with them. My personal feelings on this band have to do with there music the rest is just for fun and I stand by my words if the next album isn't mostly filler I will buy it otherwise I'll stick to YYMH and ASH Me too savana, I'll just carry on following my usual boys and if the kings happen to be about i'll stop by.
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Post by becs on Jul 25, 2010 22:42:20 GMT
I don't feel sad for anyone that was there that night. Especially if you travel to see them. That's a risk the individual takes. People have a right to be angry, of course, but seriously deal with it. Everyone knows the boys have always acted a certain way, always have had the persona. They are ridiculously nice still though. They paid their dues a long ass time ago. They don't owe a thing to anyone. I totally agree this last record was not great. I respect whatever direction they're choosing to go to though. I'm sick of being here or being on twitter and seeing and reading fans act like entitled bitches. They boys don't owe anyone anything. I have to admit I agree with this. I am not saying anyone in this thread is acting like an entitled bitch or whatever, but some people really do act like the band owe them so much. We clearly all go and travel to see them as a genuine love for the band and nothing else. But this is sometimes why so many people kick off about stuff like this. We all know what they're like by now, they are human after all. I know "regular" people have off days and still have to do their job but I guess being a rock star has different meanings and whatnot. But there is a risk with travelling, like how many people went to Paris after they'd just cancelled their Spanish dates and we weren't sure until the night before when they showed up at the Brits if they'd definitely pull through. It's gonna happen, it's a pity if it's you it happens to. I was there at Reading, I actually missed the end where it all kicked off but it still hit me hard. I guess you either just have to try and put up with it or take a break from them :/ Although I do not condone swearing at them repeatedly. I'm sorry but you are risk being blocked by that. At the end of the day just cos Nate is a celebrity doesn't mean he has to act like a darling to everyone constantly. If you speak like that to someone in real life they are going to do exactly the same thing. That's actually a really good way to look at things. I do feel bad for people who were there that night, because I know if it was me I'd be dissapointed. But yes it is wrong to swear at them for it, I don't know who was doing that but it's wrong. Even if you don't agree with their descision to stop playing you can't talk to people like that, no matter who they are. It would be a shame if something like this stopped people from enjoying the band because this is one show that has gone wrong out of MANY great shows they have done. I haven't listened to them properly for a while until recently and this last week I haven't stopped playing their music. I guess in the end it's a choice between letting stuff like this show bring you down and stop you from enjoying the band, or accept that stuff like this happens and keep on going, see what happens next.
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Post by calebfan13 on Jul 26, 2010 0:18:38 GMT
I don't feel sad for anyone that was there that night. Especially if you travel to see them. That's a risk the individual takes. People have a right to be angry, of course, but seriously deal with it. Everyone knows the boys have always acted a certain way, always have had the persona. They are ridiculously nice still though. They paid their dues a long ass time ago. They don't owe a thing to anyone. I totally agree this last record was not great. I respect whatever direction they're choosing to go to though. I'm sick of being here or being on twitter and seeing and reading fans act like entitled bitches. They boys don't owe anyone anything. The band doesn't owe their fans anything? How about their whole career, fame, money, etc? Give me a break. Will I still support them, buy their album, etc? Yes. But I won't be seeing them for a while. Need a little break, since it's happened twice to me now.
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Post by Savanna on Jul 26, 2010 0:39:59 GMT
The band doesn't owe their fans anything? How about their whole career, fame, money, etc? Give me a break. Have to agree with you on these points. Who are any artists without their fans?
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Post by AccuratePassion on Jul 26, 2010 0:46:24 GMT
If you think the band owes fans anything besides records, and shows (which 1 outta 1000 times they have to cancel) than you're out your mind. Fans are sitting here thinking they are owed a personal apology. One "fan's" actions and behaviors because of that same sense of entitlement was so over the line that I felt embarrassed for her. Then they guys think they need to reward her for that? Please. Every single fan needs to understand that the boys are not obligated to give you as an individual a damn thing.
They've worked hard for what they have. Again, we a not owed a thing.
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Post by Savanna on Jul 26, 2010 0:58:27 GMT
One "fan's" actions and behaviors because of that same sense of entitlement was so over the line that I felt embarrassed for her. Then they guys think they need to reward her for that? Please. Yeah but she is in the minority and does not represent all fans. You don't even think genuine and positive gestures deserve a little something ONCE in a while? I find that kind of sad. Entitlement is one thing but a genuine desire (not expectation) for a little acknowledgement is another. Not all fans belong in the former category. And to be fair, she's not really talking about herself specifically but rather fans as a whole.
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Post by chicotess on Jul 26, 2010 2:34:59 GMT
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Post by punkpad on Jul 26, 2010 3:43:48 GMT
wow- i can't believe the people that are saying the band doesn't owe its fans anything and are defending their actions. it's obvious, you people were not there. i've probably been to 100 concerts by multiple bands in my life, and this kind of thing has never happened before. You're at a concert enjoying the show, then after the third song the stage goes black and after a few minutes a random person (not the band members) announces the show has been cancelled due to safety reasons. And we as fans are supposed to be like, "okay that's alright thanks for the 3 songs!" ? At this point, it's not even about feeling entitled to something, it's about the lack of respect. If you were in a band and had to abruptley cancel the show, wouldn't you address the crowd yourself, or at least gave the fans the truth? That statement their management released was just to cover KOL asses. It's total BS. i live in STL, and pigeons shitting on bands has not been an issue for the summer concerts. Without the fans, KOL would have to have a day job to support themselves. they wouldn't be able to travel the world and be rich from their music and live their dream. they paid their dues? fine, but that doesn't mean treat your fans like shit. they do owe their fans something, they owe them respect. To the people on this board that don't find fault in what they did, i hope you go to their show and this happens to you. we'll see if your lips are still on KOL's asses after that.
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Post by calebfan13 on Jul 26, 2010 6:02:14 GMT
wow- i can't believe the people that are saying the band doesn't owe its fans anything and are defending their actions. it's obvious, you people were not there. i've probably been to 100 concerts by multiple bands in my life, and this kind of thing has never happened before. You're at a concert enjoying the show, then after the third song the stage goes black and after a few minutes a random person (not the band members) announces the show has been cancelled due to safety reasons. And we as fans are supposed to be like, "okay that's alright thanks for the 3 songs!" ? At this point, it's not even about feeling entitled to something, it's about the lack of respect. If you were in a band and had to abruptley cancel the show, wouldn't you address the crowd yourself, or at least gave the fans the truth? That statement their management released was just to cover KOL asses. It's total BS. i live in STL, and pigeons shitting on bands has not been an issue for the summer concerts. Without the fans, KOL would have to have a day job to support themselves. they wouldn't be able to travel the world and be rich from their music and live their dream. they paid their dues? fine, but that doesn't mean treat your fans like shit. they do owe their fans something, they owe them respect. To the people on this board that don't find fault in what they did, i hope you go to their show and this happens to you. we'll see if your lips are still on KOL's asses after that. Exactly. Don't tell me that if you were at a show, and they just stopped playing, walked off stage, no explanation, and venue workers just say it's cancelled and it's over..that you wouldn't be a little ticked off? Why do so many defend their actions. Hello, they have tantrums every tour, yet people always say ''oh well.'' A fan isn't always about ''support them in whatever they do.'' As a fan, you are allowed to call them out on stuff the odd time. If it wasn't for their fans, they wouldn't be playing at the Hollywood Bowl, Madision Square Garden, etc. Of course they owe their fans. Ok, maybe not personal apologies or something, not asking for that. But a nice reason on stage as to why you're leaving is a little appreciated. They owe A LOT to their fans. I would never swear at them, hate them, etc. But yes, after going to STL & Reading.. I'm a little upset. But to say they don't owe their fans anything is a far stretch. But we all are entitled to our opinion, so obviously some will agree/disagree, totally understand some of your points. I'm just sick of hearing tour stories and people saying ''maybe they'll clean up their act this time.'' Yes they're huge right now, but without fans they're nothing.
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Post by chicotess on Jul 26, 2010 6:14:56 GMT
they will be nothing soon. pretty soon you all will move on to other "crappy" bands and KOL will be begging to open for Vanilla Ice
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Post by autobusas on Jul 26, 2010 7:07:35 GMT
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Post by moose949 on Jul 26, 2010 8:10:14 GMT
personally, i think you guys are taking this too seriously. i laughed my ass off when i heard this story, jared getting shit on is seriously one of the more hilarious things i can think of. now sure you guys that were there should be pretty disappointed, but it seems as though some of you might be taking it a little too far. you might feel cheated and stuff, but its not like the band met up before the show and said "let's give a big fuck you to the fans tonight and show them whats up." plus i don't know what you're taking about, i've been shit on multiple times and every time it's managed to ruin my day. and maybe this is a stretch, but does anyone think it might have been their management or the venue that wouldn't let them go back on? or is that too crazy? or maybe they went off to just change but jared forgot to bring an extra shirt. hope no one gets too mad at me and you're able to see to humor in everything i was saying, i really don't want to get beat up on here.
but seriously...am i the only one who thinks jared + bird poop is comic genius?
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Post by julesf on Jul 26, 2010 9:02:59 GMT
^ ok ok, the mean side in me says it's pretty funny.
besides, caleb, as the mouthpiece, thinks they owe their fans EVERYTHING !!!!
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