Do you think...

[ticboo]

Well, none of us know them do we - so it's all conjecture based on contradictory clues. I do think they should be cut some slack, not because I am blind to anything negative about them, but because we are all human *. Life is full of experiences that we long for, work hard for, commit ourselves to, and then find that it wasn't as we thought, or maybe that WE aren't what we thought. One personal example - I wanted children - I 'knew' about the sleepless nights, the worry, the time they would take up, the expense (you get the picture) as well as all the good bits, and I still wanted children. Now I have them I would not of course be without them. But I complain sometimes !!!! I'd be very surprised if we ALL could say we NEVER had reason to complain about something we wanted badly, after we got it. It's a human being thing. Does Caleb have a few regrets? who knows!! If he does - does it matter?!?! Personal opinion is fine, but to me it's lame if anyone is tempted to go as far as being judgemental

As for SOF - Caleb has consistently given the impression that he's not that proud of it as a song - so it must be weird to have it be so successful and bring so much success. All I would say is next time only release what you feel proud of and stuff anyone who doesn't like it! (even if that's me)

*I wanna be clear here - I would cut ANYONE the same slack, because we are all human - doesn't mean I don't recognise complaining when I hear it, or that I think the kings are perfect.

[lardydar]

To be honest, this thread smacks of what the lads are now gonna be forced to put up with - every little thing they say and do is gonna be over-analysed until it's blown out of every proportion. They're just knackered, think of the year they've had. Just wish them a speedy recovery and be done with it.

[Bornagirl76]

Feb 16, 2009 0:02:10 GMT sxesadie said:

I get that many of you think I'm just reading between the lines and seeing things that aren't there but I honestly think you all are just ignoring the facts due to your love for the boys.

Apart from that being incredibly patronising, it's patently not true. Your 'facts' aren't factual at all, they're just your interpretation of events which you are already hearing secondhand. I don't think you are reading between the lines, I just think you are quick to interpret things in a negative slant when you don't have the context or information to back it up.

e.g. Caleb says it's good to be playing a small venue again, and you interpret that as him complaining about his success. I interpret it as...well, him saying it's good to play a small venue again.

Of course they're not saying these things in interviews, its all the reports that people are saying after going to their shows and once Caleb starts blabbing to the crowd... that's when their true feelings come out.

If you really think their true feelings come out on stage, then why do you decide to ignore the 95% of stuff they say that IS positive? Caleb says that he appreciates the fans for getting the band to where they are now, he frequently says it means a lot that they're finally getting acclaim at home etc; it's up to you whether you choose to take this at face value or not. Quite simply, the evidence of the Kings' positive attitudes toward their fans and their success vastly outweights the evidence of their negative attitude. I'm too cynical to assume that means they're endlessly and unequivocally grateful for the success they've worked for, but until I have evidence to the contrary I'll withhold judgement.

[sxesadie]

Feb 16, 2009 13:37:31 GMT Bornagirl76 said:

Apart from that being incredibly patronising, it's patently not true. Your 'facts' aren't factual at all, they're just your interpretation of events which you are already hearing secondhand. I don't think you are reading between the lines, I just think you are quick to interpret things in a negative slant when you don't have the context or information to back it up.

e.g. Caleb says it's good to be playing a small venue again, and you interpret that as him complaining about his success. I interpret it as...well, him saying it's good to play a small venue again.

Of course they're not saying these things in interviews, its all the reports that people are saying after going to their shows and once Caleb starts blabbing to the crowd... that's when their true feelings come out.

If you really think their true feelings come out on stage, then why do you decide to ignore the 95% of stuff they say that IS positive? Caleb says that he appreciates the fans for getting the band to where they are now, he frequently says it means a lot that they're finally getting acclaim at home etc; it's up to you whether you choose to take this at face value or not. Quite simply, the evidence of the Kings' positive attitudes toward their fans and their success vastly outweights the evidence of their negative attitude. I'm too cynical to assume that means they're endlessly and unequivocally grateful for the success they've worked for, but until I have evidence to the contrary I'll withhold judgement.

First off I wasn't being patronizing to anyone if that's what you were implying. Many people believe that I'm seeing things that aren't there and I simply stated that I believe many are ignoring the things they have said and done. I wasn't trying to be rude, it was a simple statement.

Now that being said, I don't get why everyone is getting so upset over this situation. The OP asked did we think Kings wanted this album to be the success that it is, and it is my opinion that yes they wanted it but now that they have it they regret it a bit. Again that is my opinion and yes I base my opinions off of what numerous fans say they said on stage, what they say in interviews, and the sarcastic remarks they make about the situation plus my own experience at their show. I never said they don't appreciate the fans, I'm sure they love and care for all of them.

However I'm just rather annoyed that they complained so long for something that they now have and are seemingly still complaining...again that's just me. I don't hate them or dislike them because it. For some reason some of you are acting as if I don't get that they are human...yes I know they are and like any other human being who were doing and saying the same things my reaction would be the same: annoyance. Just because I consider them one of my favorite bands doesn't mean their flaws don't get on my nerves.

[Bornagirl76]

Feb 16, 2009 20:11:53 GMT sxesadie said:

[First off I wasn't being patronizing to anyone if that's what you were implying. Many people believe that I'm seeing things that aren't there and I simply stated that I believe many are ignoring the things they have said and done. I wasn't trying to be rude, it was a simple statement.

When you said that you think our love of Kings Of Leon is blinding us to their negative aspects, I read it as being patronising, yes. Fair enough if that's not what you intended. I disagree that it's a case of people ignoring negative things the Kings have said and done; I think it's that many people weigh those things against the positive things the Kings have said and done, and find them outweighed.

Now that being said, I don't get why everyone is getting so upset over this situation. The OP asked did we think Kings wanted this album to be the success that it is, and it is my opinion that yes they wanted it but now that they have it they regret it a bit. Again that is my opinion

I'm not upset at all. Just responding with my opinion.

[montana]

Feb 14, 2009 17:34:34 GMT rabbit said:

As far as the SOF thing, I'm not worried about it. I used to take every thing they said seriously, but after getting pissed off a couple of times, I've come to realize that they have absolutely no censor. This is great cause you get the honesty, but you also get a window into every mood swing they go through. I'd be moody too if I hadn't slept in 6 years.

I completely agree with the no censor thing. Have noticed it a few times, especially with nathan and caleb. And your right that its both and good and bad thing.
Think it just as simple as that. If caleb felt any way funny about playing sex on fire that night, theres been a whole lot of other night s when hes looked like a man on top of the world playing it

[lardydar]

Well said mon their honesty is part of what makes us love them more, look at the impact the home movies had. The world should be getting sick of all this celebrity as public property shit, kudos to the chaps for playing it warts 'n' all.

Can totally see what sadie means, but everyone has their bad days, it's just that when the world and his dog all of a sudden wants a piece of you, you can't learn overnight to keep those bad days under wraps.

As long as they keep giving us blinding music, they can say whatever shit they want as far as I'm concerned.

[ticboo]

Sadie, if you thought at all I was 'upset' let me reassure you I'm not - it really doesn't matter to me enough for that Like I said about them complaining sometimes - does it matter?
For me it doesn't

[kultbert]

ok i haven't read all comments on the last two pages but a few...so...

i don't think they're annoyed of being a lil bit bigger. i think they just not used to it! maybe they expected something different...but no one of us knows how it actually is 'back stage' when you're becoming a bigger band. they're in the business for a very long time now and maybe they're used to a treatment different from the way they're treated now (hope you guys understand my creepy english here).
there's a point in people saying the music business is no walk in the park! so i could imagine there is a huge pressure, especially on the part of their management and the record company.

i don't think they regret anything they did...they always said they wanted to be a bigger band. thats why they started to sound a lil bit more modern...matt said that in an interview.

[5kicks]

i think Caleb said it to sound cool so that people will love him that's all.....

[sxesadie]

Feb 17, 2009 12:12:23 GMT @ticboo said:

Sadie, if you thought at all I was 'upset' let me reassure you I'm not - it really doesn't matter to me enough for that Like I said about them complaining sometimes - does it matter?
For me it doesn't

No I didn't think you were upset

[fromhelltomaine]

I totally agree with the comment that says (sorry I can't remember who wrote it!) that the great thing about the Kings is their honesty, they just say how they feel, which makes them seem so much more normal than other "rock stars". My personal belief with all of this is that the band sees through all of the new fans who only know Sex On Fire and Use Somebody. I think its hardest for rock bands out of any music genre to become successful, because it always ends up biting them in the ass with people jumping on the bandwagon and them "selling out" when all they did was write the music in their hearts, I mean its been said over and over that Kings weren't thinking about any expectations for OBTN, they just wrote what they wrote and it came out that way, but people think they're abandoning their real sound for the success.

I read this thing about Axl Rose a little while ago and I think it somewhat applies, that he was saying that it's the worst feeling in the world to be baring your heart and soul to the crowd and have half of them only be there for the "cool factor" and because they made it big, and he also said it was a shame that just by hearing their singles everyone thought they knew what Guns was all about, which was for drugs and parties and drinking, rather than listening to the whole album and appreciating it for more than just that.

So I think that its not so much about playing in smaller arenas, just that they would rather play to a small arena packed with fans who appreciate all of the their music, rather than huge arenas filled with SOFers and people who only download the successful singles and don't check out their history.



Sorry for the long post!