Liam Gallagher talks THE Kings

[sawyer]

It seems to me a good majority of the fans that loved the Kings since YAYM hate their new direction. I don't care if I get jumped on for being opinionated. The new album is a pile of shit and that's all there is too it. Bad songwriting,horrific choruses,and even worse production and mixing. The drums do sound plastic and you can barely hear the guitars because the bass is raised so high. I hope the next album is great but I doubt it. The bands priorities are to be mainstream in the U.S and that's a shame. It's funny to me that they bash Fallout Boy and then put a record out like this. The Kings need to get their priorities straight and give Ethan Johns a call back. It's bad enough they only co-wrote their first record. I wonder how much of that first album is really them. With all that said I love the first three records and feel alienated by the new sound. I'm gonna see them twice on this tour,get drunk and hope they bust out some Wasted Time. I'm sure they won't because they have to play Revelry and Sex On Cliche every show. I'm done posting here

[Eden]

Nov 2, 2008 21:45:50 GMT papscrunt said:

And i have the strong feeling that the next record could be make or break with alot of fans who've been with them from day one.

I agree with this, 100%. If they make another OBTN, then the "new" fans are going to love it. The "oldies" however, might decide to move on to other pastures and just remember what was. The barn-burner songs, the good ol' days.

In all honesty, none of us know what to expect from them next. I guess all we can do is just hold our breath, cross our fingers and wait.

I'd also like to add that I am in no way dissing OBTN, IMO, it's the best album of the year. Just not the best album from the boys.

[ticboo]

Aw Sawyer, you're making me all sad now!

I don't know how you know that a good majority of fans hate their new direction, but as this is the only forum I bother with for all I know you are right. There is nothing wrong with being opinionated ( I would say that because I am - VERY). It is true that some people are not inclined to give your view any space because they don't like it, but I have honestly thought most of the trouble has been because of HOW you expressed yourself, and because you gave the impression that other people's opinions were not somehow as good as yours, that they should change their view to yours. Perhaps that last bit is not how you feel at all - it is difficult sometimes to know exactly what people mean when they post. There are a number of people, it seems to me, who agree that they don't like this album as much, or are unsure about the future direction of KOL. I would describe myself (and have posted comments about my views on OBTN elsewhere) as unsure but optimistic, and much as I'm a KOL fan, relaxed in the knowledge that there's ALWAYS other good stuff out there somewhere.

You love BOTT? as much as the first two?? hmmm!

You say you're done posting here - perhaps some people will be glad to see the back of you, but honestly I'm not - I meant it when I said I respected your opinion - you have obviously come to it with thought.
(But I did mean what I said about how you expressed yourself, and what you said about Laura, which, yeah I know, I did drag up even as I said I wasn't!)

I truly hope you have a really great time at the two gigs you're going to (not like in Boston - that WAS crap) - just take earplugs for SOF ( I would if I was you)

p.s. am I a noob?? (no idea what that is) ( actually - don't respond if it's going to make me all offended )

[sawyer]

;)Your not a noob Ticboo. A noob is someone who is overconfident in their opinions and is not willing to learn any more. Noobs typically take up bandwith on forums. I appreciate the fact that you don't take anything I say to heart if you don't agree with it. You could even call me a noob. I do try to listen to other peoples opinions about the music but I feel very strongly about the bands priorities and OBTN. Pearl Jam is my favorite band and I have seen them 25 times w/ my fanclub membership. I still can admit Riot Act was a piece of trash for them. The only thing is they didn't have a motive of selling out. Hopefully the Kings can turn it around

[chichi]

Don't leave Sawyer!! I think you're really interesting and I agree with a lot of your opinions on the new album. It's just that personal attacks on people don't go over too well on here - as they shouldn't. And plus you're a fellow Pearl Jam fan - you can't be all that bad!

So I hope you reconsider - I like when people stick their neck out and cause a ruckus! It makes this place more interesting. Like I've said before, if it was a constant lovefest it would get boring!

[ticboo]

Nov 4, 2008 14:30:44 GMT sawyer said:

;)Your not a noob Ticboo. A noob is someone who is overconfident in their opinions and is not willing to learn any more. Noobs typically take up bandwith on forums. I appreciate the fact that you don't take anything I say to heart if you don't agree with it. You could even call me a noob. I do try to listen to other peoples opinions about the music but I feel very strongly about the bands priorities and OBTN. Pearl Jam is my favorite band and I have seen them 25 times w/ my fanclub membership. I still can admit Riot Act was a piece of trash for them. The only thing is they didn't have a motive of selling out. Hopefully the Kings can turn it around

sigh!

Sawyer, you've gone and done it again - you just can't help yourself, can ya! Always putting your foot in your mouth, ya noob! Why'd ya have to go and and spoil that nice moment ( I had you riding off into the sunset with me waving a (clean) white hanky and everything !!)

'SELLING OUT'!!!!!!!!!

TAKING UP BANDWIDTH ON FORUMS?? What happened on the 31st?? was it a blackout? ( knew you needed a holiday )

Don't rile me now - I'm small and vicious like a weasle.

If you want to get all contentious with anyone go and tell Radiohead to turn Colin up, I know he wants to be louder, he's just too polite and unassuming to press it with the others. No, maybe not - I think that needs charm and tact and diplomacy.

Actually I have been thinking of listening to some Pearl Jam - I don't know their stuff AT ALL (as far as I know) but liked Eddie Vedders voice on the soundtrack to "Into the Wild". Don't know how I could have missed them. (Just hope the rest of Pearl Jam don't let him loose with a tambourine ) I will take on board your comment and avoid Riot Act until I know if I like them.

Any way, if you're 'done posting here' I'll say goodbye - enjoy the gigs!
*waves hanky*

[schnucams]

I thought a Noob was a different way of saying Newbie, as in new to the forum???

[ticboo]

Nov 4, 2008 14:42:56 GMT chichi said:

Don't leave Sawyer!! I think you're really interesting and I agree with a lot of your opinions on the new album. It's just that personal attacks on people don't go over too well on here - as they shouldn't. And plus you're a fellow Pearl Jam fan - you can't be all that bad!

So I hope you reconsider - I like when people stick their neck out and cause a ruckus! It makes this place more interesting. Like I've said before, if it was a constant lovefest it would get boring!

Chichi - if we have a constant lovefest it is all your fault - carrying on yesterday about making an effort to talk to people we don't even know!

[ticboo]

Nov 4, 2008 15:06:37 GMT schnucams said:

I thought a Noob was a different way of saying Newbie, as in new to the forum???

Really? Really??

well, I've only been here 5 minutes, maybe I am one then.

[sawyer]

II. Defining 'Noob'
Contrary to the belief of many, a noob/n00b and a newbie/newb are not the same thing. Newbs are those who are new to some task* and are very beginner at it, possibly a little overconfident about it, but they are willing to learn and fix their errors to move out of that stage. n00bs, on the other hand, know little and have no will to learn any more. They expect people to do the work for them and then expect to get praised about it, and make up a unique species of their own. It is the latter we will study in this guide so that the reader is prepared to encounter them in the wild if needed.

[sawyer]

Ticboo- I didn't mean to hurt you by saying the Kings sold out but how else would you describe it. All they have been talking about in interviews since the album came out is how popular they want to be in their own country. They even go as far as saying they won't be happy until they are playing to 20,000 fans per show here. The only way they can do that here is to make a hybrid of U2 and Nickelback. It's too bad the radio in the U.S doesn't play the good bands that are out there. They won't even play Radiohead for gods sake. They need to go back to playing music for themselves.

[schnucams]

Nov 4, 2008 15:45:08 GMT sawyer said:

II. Defining 'Noob'
Contrary to the belief of many, a noob/n00b and a newbie/newb are not the same thing. Newbs are those who are new to some task* and are very beginner at it, possibly a little overconfident about it, but they are willing to learn and fix their errors to move out of that stage. n00bs, on the other hand, know little and have no will to learn any more. They expect people to do the work for them and then expect to get praised about it, and make up a unique species of their own. It is the latter we will study in this guide so that the reader is prepared to encounter them in the wild if needed.

haha, I stand corrected!!!!!

Thanks for the clarification :-p

[schnucams]

Nov 4, 2008 20:06:42 GMT Quinny said:

i couldnt agree with laim gallagher and sawyer more... i hate what they have become. ive been a fan on them since i was 11. which was when youth and young manhood came out and i fear for what their going to produce next. i would give my right arm and leg to hear stuff like the last 3 albums. i know bands have to try new things and "grow" but i personally think they have sold their souls for the big bucks. thinking about it makes me genuinely upset and makes me like them less. people used to have no idea who they were so when i used to show them kol they used to laugh and say it was rubbish. Now those people walk around singing "sex on fire " or come and ask me if ive heard the new album becuase its really good.or ill be round college and hear it as a ringtone.
Their not a staduim band.their a small venue personal band. now at gigs i get looked upon as a "tenny bopper" or someone thats jumped on the "sex on fire " bandwaggon where as infact im probably an older fan then they are
i miss the raw sound of it all.

I know this has been said before and i know you dont like it ..buts its just my opinion and i needed to say it

Firstly, I respect your opinion, I just disagree with it!! Your post suggests that this is the end point for KOL and that OBTN defines them! It doesnt, its another album like all the others before it! So OBTN is more mainstream, its also the kind of album KOL have always wanted to produce and each one of them have said they are proud of every note and strum on it!! How exactly does this suggest that Caleb, Matt, Nate and Jared have sold their souls???

Also, nothing annoys me more than people who want KOL to stay out of mainstream because liking less well known bands somehow makes them feel superior. I dont know if this is what you are like, if not, why begrudge KOL more fans??? Imo, a true fan of any band would not wish a band less success rather than more!!

Finally, who are you to say they are a small venue band???

[shakermaker]

I can't speak for them, but myself, I'm not upset about them getting more fans and being more popular. I'm upset they went mainstream because I don't like the mainstream music. I mean, if suddenly overnight the American mainstream took on the taste of the British I'd be ecstatic. I'd love to see my favorite bands from Britain / that are popular in Britain be popular here. I just don't like that the Kings have had to change so much musically in order to be popular here.

[schnucams]

I dont think they've done it to be popular and i think to say you dont like any mainstream music is silly!!!

[shakermaker]

Ok, if as it has been said, mainstream is Nickelback, U2, etc. I do not like mainstream music. I never listen to the radio, and if I do it's usually classic rock. I dislike mainstream rock music. But if I ever like it, it'll be Kings of Leon mainstream rock. I still like OBTN and its better than anything else out there, but against the Kings' other work, it just doesn't stand up.

Edit: essentially, I don't dislike mainstream music 'because' it's mainstream. I just happen to dislike the music that is mainstream.

[whitewickerchair]

Nov 4, 2008 22:15:04 GMT shakermaker said:

I can't speak for them, but myself, I'm not upset about them getting more fans and being more popular. I'm upset they went mainstream because I don't like the mainstream music. I mean, if suddenly overnight the American mainstream took on the taste of the British I'd be ecstatic. I'd love to see my favorite bands from Britain / that are popular in Britain be popular here. I just don't like that the Kings have had to change so much musically in order to be popular here.

I agree with this, people always say oh you just want the band to yourself you don't want other people to like them, music snobbery etc. but I wouldn't care if everyone loved them for what they are not this stupid music they've thrown out

[schnucams]

Surely the first step is to hear a song, like it, hear another song, like that too, think "Jee I really like KOL" Ill check out their back catalogue, listen to that and then think "jee I love KOL"?? or "jee I dont like that KOL lot, I think ill listen to something else"

Is that not pretty much how it would go or went for most of us???

[loveisdivine]

I have to say i didn't get into KOL till about a year ago, but the first song i heard was mollys chambers, and the first album i brought was YAYM then ASH then BOTT which i didn't adore as much as the first two. Its still better than anything else Ive ever heard, but not my fave of the first 3. OBTN is just abit hit and miss for me Im still listening to it non stop, it hasnt really left the cd player but i do feel that it isnt the KOL i have come to know and love. there is nothing wrong with change and i dont deny them anything they deserve. I just think they deserved international success with the first albums and they shouldnt have had to wait till their 4th to get it.
Anyone who fell in love with the old KOl is bound to be abit unsure with OBTN, its natural to feel that way. There are things from the old days that i really miss (Calebs screams etc) which i know ive mentioned before. Because it was things like that, that made them appeal to me, that raw sound. You cant call OBTN raw, whether thats good or bad i dont know.
Im shutting up now cuz i just realised how long this post is

[sawyer]

What songs on OBTN do you happy aloners like. I do like Closer but that's it. Crawl would be a decent b-side from BOTT but the rest is pretty poor. Sex On Fire just makes me laugh and everything up until Cold Desert isn't listenable. I liked it better when I couldn't understand all of Calebs lyrics. Does anybody know how much of the songwriting they actually wrote for YAYM. It seems that Angelo Petraglia wrote quite a bit of it. That saddens me a little since it's their best record.