I'm Not Happy

[buck]

skatf said:

But as I don't it's probably best I bid all you lovely folk good luck and good night!

skatf! I don't get into arguments very often and you were a formidable adversary. (I don't think anyone won...) Shake hands?

[kmoore24]

and as for this whole argument thing going on here (mainly to skatf).... if KOL has wronged you personally... keep it personal. try to imagine a situation where you wronged someone... would you want your thousands of fans getting involved.. no. because its not their business.. just as its not yours to share with us here..

No, they wronged me personally. lol And I'm keeping it to myself.[/quote]

exactly thats why you are cooler than skatf!! go buck!

[Bornagirl76]

skatf said:

With the exception of Matt, I think they're all guilty as hell (in the article) - the whole thing about Amy Winehouse and 'get some fucking talent' made my blood boil. They're purposely picking on people who are very fucked up indeed. How noble. For the record, I think Amy Winehouse has plenty of talent.

But...wasn't that the point they were making? They were commenting on the UK press slavering over people who are, as you say, very fucked up indeed. It would have been a bit pointless to have mentioned, say, James Blunt instead of Amy Winehouse! I also think Amy Winehouse is very talented, so I'd disagree with them there but I get the rest of the point they were making.

If he was just a 'normal' guy, he'd still be in the same predicament, we just wouldn't have to read about it ad nauseum every day.

Yes, and I think the fact that we DO have to read about it ad nauseum is what was pissing off the Kings. That they happen to think he's talentless is kinda by the by. I mean, who cares? I doubt Peter does.

If your sole opinion on him is what you've read in the press then you really need to get a life.

Oh come on! Why should we give him - or anyone else - any more of our time? We don't all have the opportunity to personally meet up with every celebrity for a cup of tea and a chinwag. Everyone is entitled to base their opinion on what they are presented with in the press. With Pete Doherty his music (since the Libs) gets way less exposure than his drugs/sex life, so it's not surprising that people don't judge him on that.

I've met Peter a few times, and even went round to his flat when he did his New Years Eve gig for fans. He has always been sweet, generous, kind and adorably shy and .... How many other people with his level of fame are like that? None. Ever hear those kinds of stories in the press? No.

Of course you do! I have read endless accounts like yours in the press. He sounds like a kind and sweet person. I STILL think his music is crap and I still resent the tabloid exposure he gets.

I understand the impact that the Libertines had on their fans - it was pretty special, and I loved that about them. I saw them very early on because my friend lived with the drummer. It's not like I didn't give them a chance. I bought their first single, I listened to the album, my friends made me mix tapes, and I enjoyed hearing all about their experiences at gigs etc. At the end of the day I still think their music is about as good as a Strokes b-side, and Pete's solo/Babyshambles stuff is horrible. I know I sound like a broken record, and the thread has moved on, but relating back to the Kings article..it's only opinion!

[thepurity]

"get some f*cking talent"? much loss of respect.

maybe they have been hanging around with johnny borrell.

[Bornagirl76]

groupielove said:

something once struck me.. so caleb, i cannot WAITTT to go see u guys, however i know i will be seeing a gr8 live show.. but i can listen to it everyday for the rest of my life.. i know i go to concerts for the music, but u caleb ca NOT say that no one is gonna remember the next band, when kol play, the only memorable thing is the experience of dancing like a douche coz u love the music, but not much else.. just an observation ive made

Off-topic a bit, but groupielove, seeing the Kings live is (thankfully!) a whole different experience to just listening to the CD being re-played note for note. I know it might seem that way from watching footage, but honestly, they really are a fantastic live band. You're in for a treat in Jan!

[groupielove]

bornagirl76 said:

groupielove said:

something once struck me.. so caleb, i cannot WAITTT to go see u guys, however i know i will be seeing a gr8 live show.. but i can listen to it everyday for the rest of my life.. i know i go to concerts for the music, but u caleb ca NOT say that no one is gonna remember the next band, when kol play, the only memorable thing is the experience of dancing like a douche coz u love the music, but not much else.. just an observation ive made

Off-topic a bit, but groupielove, seeing the Kings live is (thankfully!) a whole different experience to just listening to the CD being re-played note for note. I know it might seem that way from watching footage, but honestly, they really are a fantastic live band. You're in for a treat in Jan!

aww thanks bornagirl!

yea, im sure i'll have a blast- cant wait!

[letter16no]

dominator said:

I thought the article was pretty cool

So what if they're slagging off the Libs? I think that the Kings are infinitely more respectable than the Libertines (more specifically Pete) because they have so much more respect for their fans...you never saw Caleb cutting a gig short because of a drug addiction, in fact they all gave up on coke before it started to take over...i think its bullsh*t that the Libs put more heart and soul into their music, the fact is the Kings of Leon have never put on a bad show, never let down their fans, never split up due to drug addictions and got a bad name for themselves and their band in the press, they've just given their all to becoming a true rock 'n' roll band, who knows what they could go on to achieve now? The fact is the Libertines have died now and their fans have gotta live with that, pretty dissapointing if you like them i guess.

You can also add to the fact the KOL have never spit on their fans or told them to "fuck off" like Winehouse has. And I'm a fan of Winehouse! but that's just rude!

Also, groupielove, I can second that. I've only seen them once and I'm longing for more. A fun show indeed!

The Libs, I dunno. They started this whole pretentious, garage rock, 'Watch me wear my cute fedora', and smoke cigs - routine. I'll give them credit in that department but a lot of artists have sounded a hell of a lot better than them. As far as KOL goes, they kind of remind me of Kanye West (everyone, don't get your panties in a bunch). West, meeting him, is the nicest guy ever. And it's funny how a lot of photographers feel the same. But when the cameras are on, when the reporter's in the room, you'll say stuff to get a persona about you. It's not like Fergie goes around dressed as slutty as she is when it's performance time. When you blur the line between your personal life and your stage persona, that's when things get fucked up. Look at Unfitney Spears.

But KOL will always be these down-home boys. They'll always have that sliver of showing how they grew up and where they came from. So interviews...no biggie. In a room filled with "cheese and beer", chilling with your brothers you'll say whatever. You'll voice your opinions (if you ain't chicken, of course). KOL are great musicians, put on amazing shows and have grown up so much from "youth and young manhood". It's amazing to see the difference. What they say, I could care less. They could be baby seal poachers*, fuck, as long as they continue to write great songs and Caleb keeps howling into the microphone.




*I love baby seals. I was just trying to get a silly point across.

[groupielove]

^^^^ You make some great points there... i agree

[tammym]

Hmm, it seems to have got very irate on here. What happened to the friendly carefree forum we all bang on about? That aside I completely understand why fights have begun. We are all passionate about music and when someone hits a nerve about a band or individual that we have dedicated a lot of time towards we are gonna snap.

I don't particularly want to get involved in this fight, as it seems like a lot of valid points have been made and re-made already. I will say, this is the made reason that I don't pay any attention to newspaper articles anymore. To me they are no longer the written truth and a number of them are serialized for exactly this reason. To get people talking and making peoples blood boil and have started wars over less.

In an ideal world, I want to listen to a band because of the music and ultimately their talents as songwriters/musicians. Not because their good looking or they are in the newspapers every other week doing XYZ or saving the world (aka Bono). I don't particularly care about their background, if they make good music, nuff said.

Lastly,

Pete - Totally missed the boat with the libs and Babyshambles, but have seen countless interviews with the man and he seems a lovely genuine person, who only fault seems to be he is too generous and trusting (If that's a fault). Again don't read the shit in the papers about his addictions.

Kings - there has been many things posted on here that have talked about the Kings and their faults. They are southern boys after all and are going to say what on their minds. Of Course it's gonna piss people off, but if I had everything in print that I have ever thought about people, I would be shot by now.

As for the Strokes and other bands that I have grew up with and put a LOT of time into over the years such as U2 and Snow Patrol, they all at some point have had people knocking them for whatever reason and it has pissed me off and hurt me too. But I have had to let it go, it happens too often. Let people have their opinions and remember that:

1) to "us" they don't know what their talking about.
2) it only gets us upset and angry and it's not worth the time it takes to get over that.
3) we can think and say what we like in are heads and it doesn't get printed.

Skatf, I hope this has not tainted your thoughts about this forum chick, I love reading your comments and opinions and would miss you if you stopped. There needs to be more like you on here, who loves the Kings for their music and not cause you want their babies! Same goes Buck, I love you for your dedication and the stuff you have posted over the years. Lets just put this down to what happens when you post at 3.00am in the morning!!!!!

Jezz this is the longest post I have ever done, but for those who can be bothered reading it, I bid you all peace (unless you smite me, then I must warn you I own a voodoo doll!!!!)

[amycakes]

can i just keep things simple and say that i absolutely hate pete doherty. he's like one of those annoying kids you see in tesco when they're allowed to do whatever the fuck they want, for example climb all over the conveyer belt and open all the crisps but everyone just stands there and watches. my bf is a libertines/babyshambles fan so i've heard a lot of his music and i must say i don't think it's very special at all. he's not the prophet that a lot of people are making him out to be. he's just a trumped up middle class attention seeking fart.

however he does mention oldham in one of his songs which is ace because i'm from that very town.

apart from that RRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAARRRGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

(sorry if anyone is pissed off about that but i had to vent my spleen)

[tammym]

Quite frankly I want to know more about Mollys holiday in March to Venice!

[skatf]

Well, one thing I've learned is that nobody likes the band/person they hold dear to be slagged off!! Yes, we are all very sensitive when it comes to that. I suppose I am in particular because I am always getting lectures off of people - Pete is a controversial figure. On the other hand, I am perfectly fine about people saying they don't like his music because everyone's different........

I was thinking about deleting my posts here but a lot of it has been quoted so anyway........... I'll just slink back home to The Libs forum and leave it at that. I'll just have to defend KoL over there and will probably get in even more trouble.

[ncox10021]

people............. chill!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's go back to posting pictures and saying funny things. Much more productive IMO.

[ncox10021]

mollysslightreturn said:

tammym said:

Quite frankly I want to know more about Mollys holiday in March to Venice!

I'd share the details but some dirty butt crack smited me, so I'm just gonna keep them to myself.

Molly - you are too funny - karma when I can for making me laugh out loud before I go to church!

[talihinaruth]

skatf said:

Well, one thing I've learned is that nobody likes the band/person they hold dear to be slagged off!! Yes, we are all very sensitive when it comes to that. I suppose I am in particular because I am always getting lectures off of people - Pete is a controversial figure. On the other hand, I am perfectly fine about people saying they don't like his music because everyone's different........

I was thinking about deleting my posts here but a lot of it has been quoted so anyway........... I'll just slink back home to The Libs forum and leave it at that. I'll just have to defend KoL over there and will probably get in even more trouble.

why would you want to delete this thread? you have expressed your opinion and shared an interesting article with us here!

the trouble with reading an article rather than watching an interview is the journalist can chop up and mis-quote what the band says, therefore lots of things can be taken out of context or "off the cuff" funny quips can be taken seriously!

i'm glad you're defending the band on the libs forum, i got myself into many arguments on U2.com when the band were supporting U2 in the US

life would be really boring if we all loved the same bands ...... plus we'd never get tickets to shows!!

[tammym]

talihinaruth said:

skatf said:

Well, one thing I've learned is that nobody likes the band/person they hold dear to be slagged off!! Yes, we are all very sensitive when it comes to that. I suppose I am in particular because I am always getting lectures off of people - Pete is a controversial figure. On the other hand, I am perfectly fine about people saying they don't like his music because everyone's different........

I was thinking about deleting my posts here but a lot of it has been quoted so anyway........... I'll just slink back home to The Libs forum and leave it at that. I'll just have to defend KoL over there and will probably get in even more trouble.

why would you want to delete this thread? you have expressed your opinion and shared an interesting article with us here!

the trouble with reading an article rather than watching an interview is the journalist can chop up and mis-quote what the band says, therefore lots of things can be taken out of context or "off the cuff" funny quips can be taken seriously!

i'm glad you're defending the band on the libs forum, i got myself into many arguments on U2.com when the band were supporting U2 in the US

life would be really boring if we all loved the same bands ...... plus we'd never get tickets to shows!!

Ahem sister. That's exactly why I don't think newspapers are worth the paper they are written on. Unless I am witness to that person saying whatever, then I will not believe it. Things are so often taken out of context and it causes all sorts of problems and arguments.

[ahasarah]

Just spent ages reading through all this!

In my opinion, Pete seems like a sweet talented guy who has been messed up by drugs. I'm not that into any music he's made though and have never met him or anything.

And I think caleb etc are a little cocky and opinionated (sp??) but that's part of what I love about them! I imagine a lot of the stuff they said was jokey banter between the band that they've maybe discussed before and now it just happens to be published and seems like a bigger deal than they meant it

And it seems to me that Jared has a bit of a wicked sense of humour and possibly not everything he says should be taken seriously!

I say live and let live, we all have different opinions!

[abydosww]

Just read through all this and frankly I agree with the Kings on the Libs. I think they are still over-rated and weren't anything spectacular. MY OPINION! I do think Pete seems quite sweet but fuck am I sick of hearing about what a fuck up of his life he has made. Yes drug addiction is a disease but he has been through rehab how many times? I am delighted he is getting clean eventually but I am still sick to death of hearing about him. AND I do think if he were any other drug addict he would have been locked up a long time ago for the shit he has done. That, to me, is total bollocks. MY OPINION AGAIN!
The Amy Winehouse thing, she is very talented indeed. She is fucked up but she still has amazing talent, so I disagree with the Kings on that one.
Caleb can be a rude asshole at times but no more so than other rock stars have been and will be.
The thing most people have said is, the Kings are stating their opinion and they are entitled to that.

Another thing that I really need to say is.

skatf said:

kmoore24 said:

(random post follows) buck it seems its been a while since i have seen you post on here!!! glad to see you again.

and as for this whole argument thing going on here (mainly to skatf).... if KOL has wronged you personally... keep it personal. try to imagine a situation where you wronged someone... would you want your thousands of fans getting involved.. no. because its not their business.. just as its not yours to share with us here..

In English please?

And you called Buck rude? That was downright mean. I think we all knew what she was getting at and it seems you are allowed to disagree and rant about the Kings but God forbid anyone voice their opinion and disagree with you. Were you more pissed at the girls grammar or the fact that she agreed with Buck?
Seriously, Buck even asked you to "shake hands" and you couldn't even be a big person and say "cool, agree to disagree" or something like that.

Anyway I guess what I really want to say is that everyone is entitled to their opinion, yes even skatf, but if you voice it be prepared for those who will disagree. EVERYONE!


*prepares for backlash*

[buck]

My handshake still stands. Let's put this shit behind us.

[Neon]

Take the handshake - because arguments are only resolved by compromise , and arguments on the internet are pointless exercises which simply cant be won by either side - because normally neither side is wrong (and thats whats happening here)

People are always going to have different opinions on music. And these arguments get started when people either take another persons to seriously, or try to force their own on others - this argument started over the 1st one. I was in on argument on bebo over the latter - it was messy

However if you want to fight over your taste - go ahead - but don't expect to win