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Post by csolis on Mar 9, 2005 6:45:28 GMT
i think they have gotten a lot of exposure from reporters, and a very good one, but people are not going to go buy a CD because a reporter said so if they have not heard their music, i think they should be making much more of tv appearences to promote it, i mean if people listen tot he music and read the reviews then maybe then they will go buy it
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Post by Heartbroken Smile on Mar 9, 2005 16:51:44 GMT
then u have ure posers, ure wannabe rock bands, like Good Charllotte, Sum 41, Blink 182 (thank god they broke up!!) Blink 182, posers? Personally I am a big fan of Blink. I think they play "good" music. I don't understand why you think they are posers? Anybody in the music industry could be labelled as a poser! Unless you know the artist(s) personally then you wouldn't know. I'm sorry "poser" is just a term that I find hard to understand, the same as "sell- out" EVERYONE sells out atleast once in their life so, you know, don't give bands a hard time for doing it. I also like hip- hop. I listen to all kinds of styles of music, I like being open-minded with my music. I'm not trying to be cheeky or anything because everyone has their own opinion, but from what you said it's like you think only indie music is good and everything else isn't good music, that's kinda closed minded. |
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Post by saltyleave on Mar 9, 2005 17:38:11 GMT
I think the Nov UK release did hurt them a little bit. I bought an Aussie import from a STL record store and haven't bought the US release yet. I don't want to compare them 2 the Strokes AGAIN but, they have managed their success well, and they (KOL) won't be sellin out to get recored sales just because. They know how popular they could be, its just not time. Look at a band like Modest Mouse, how many albums did it take them before they broke, and their still cool. We all should be happy that KOL is still are little band, that we can still see them in 1000 seat venues, that gets to open for U2 and we're proud of them.
BTW, Blink 182 should not be in the same sentence as Good Charlotte or Sum41. At least Blink is somewhat original, Chesire Cat(1st album) was and still is a great CD.
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Post by sara on Mar 9, 2005 19:00:56 GMT
I don´t want to offend anyone, but it´s true what heartbroken wrote, it sounds like you´d think that only indie music is good music (and that everyone who listens to something else is an asshole) and sometimes it´s true that people who listen to indie music aren´t open for anything else...
Please, don´ t get me wrong, I´m also listening to indie and such stuff (I really don´t like Hip Hop and so on) and I´m not thinking that anyone of you discriminates other people cause of their music taste.
Just wanted to say that I´ve made the experience that the "indie community" is not always as open minded as they seem to be.
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Post by csolis on Mar 9, 2005 20:37:45 GMT
lol, u guys, i think u misunderstood me.
let me first clear up what i think posers mean, poser is someone trying to be what theyre not or trying to convince people about something ure not.
now i do not think that people who dont do indie music are posers cause theyre not, i mean i dont even listen to indie music for christ sakes!!! if this is considered indie music, or any of the artists i mentioned, i didnt even know they were indie i just thought they were rock!
ok now about the whole blink 182 thing, i think that they are posers because to me like i said what posers are to me, thats exactly what they are!!! i dont like how they dress in rock clothes, always saying that theyre punk and shit like that when theyre NOT!!! theyre a fucking pop band!!!! theyre music is pop, theyre whole image is POP!!! and i have no prob w/ pop, i mean i used to like BSB (now those are not posers cause they werent trying to be someone theyre not) i mean if u go around and say urea fucking punk band and then sing stupid shit like they do, then to me they are posers, and i think posers and sellout are something different, sellouts to me are when u change ure imge and ure music to try to sell more records. i dont like blink 182 cause of that, to me they are the ame as good charlotte and ahslee simpson
sorry but thats what i think
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Post by Heartbroken Smile on Mar 9, 2005 22:58:32 GMT
In all my years of being a Blink 182 fan, I have never heard them claim to be "punks"...
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Post by csolis on Mar 10, 2005 5:45:37 GMT
dont remember their exact words, but it was in the MTV music awards when they won i think for best rock i think, i dont remember but i do remeber that they said something in their acceptence speech about "thanks for supporting punk bands" or something like that, but i ttok it as if they were saying they were aying that they were punk, now im sorry but i think theyre posers, i dont like them, i dont think i will ever like them. sorry but i mean if ure a an and like their music then go ahead, thats u, but to me thyere no good.
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Post by PrickleyPorcupine on Mar 10, 2005 9:43:45 GMT
That is so interesting what u lot are saying about the US thing. When I went to California (mainly San Fran) me & my brother were scrolling through the radio stations but all we could find were hip hop & really random country music.
When we were with KoL last time we were talking to Matt & Jared about the RS thing, & I think they expected this to catapault them into more fame than it has. They were a bit like "yeah so sorry we won't be around here much" sort of thing. Sel did u get that impression? Actually i was talking to Matt about that when u weren't there. Who was with me? Vicky? Can't remember. Anyway, my point is.... I think they expected all the press they have been doing in the US to have a bigger effect on their record sales than it has.
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Post by cherry_lipstick on Mar 10, 2005 9:56:16 GMT
dont remember their exact words, but it was in the MTV music awards when they won i think for best rock i think, i dont remember but i do remeber that they said something in their acceptence speech about "thanks for supporting punk bands" or something like that, but i ttok it as if they were saying they were aying that they were punk, now im sorry but i think theyre posers, i dont like them, i dont think i will ever like them. sorry but i mean if ure a an and like their music then go ahead, thats u, but to me thyere no good. There's a difference between American punk and British punk. Ours evolved a lot earlier than yours and yours was heavily influenced by ours, but was also poppy and more mainstream. But they are different genres of music. Personally, I'd pick British over American, but there are some decent American punk bands out there. Blink, whilst not my favourite band, did make some good songs. My sisters are massive fans of Blink, but also of things like The Strokes, KOL etc. Yeah, Good Charlotte and Sum41 are rubbish (but I do love the Still Waiting video...), but are you telling me that you don't like Green Day? As far as I'm concerned, Green Day are also American punk. |
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Post by meggg on Mar 10, 2005 10:26:32 GMT
American Punk: Green Day, Blink 182, Good Charlotte, etc. English (Classic) Punk: The Clash, The Sex Pistols, The Damned, The Buzzcocks Original Punk music was political and largely anarchist, usually as a way of giving the finger to Thatcher's government. Mohawks, ripped jeans, tops held together by safety pins, bright coloured hair. Yet in no way like the poppy mainstream dribble of Blink 182 which people call punk now, with people trying to look "different" while still being "trendy". Also there was very little that was overly melodic or harmonic about the original punk, it was harsh and raw as it was all about saying something to the government. If you want to hear what real punk is, listen to The Clash - London Calling or The Sex Pistols - God Save The Queen. Those two songs are pretty symbolic of the genre. Just to clear things up  |
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Post by i shouldn't be here on Mar 10, 2005 10:55:08 GMT
what about the stooges and the dead kennedys? just to name a few of the original punk bands in America. there was that whole geeky punk movement that happened as well.
'Punk' has evolved as with most genres, it pisses me off that the American popular punk bands that are around today are labelled punk when they seem to have no real grasp of what the original movement was about except somewhat in their appearance.
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Post by Heartbroken Smile on Mar 10, 2005 13:53:45 GMT
dont remember their exact words, but it was in the MTV music awards when they won i think for best rock i think, i dont remember but i do remeber that they said something in their acceptence speech about "thanks for supporting punk bands" or something like that, but i ttok it as if they were saying they were aying that they were punk, now im sorry but i think theyre posers, i dont like them, i dont think i will ever like them. sorry but i mean if ure a an and like their music then go ahead, thats u, but to me thyere no good. I didn't say there was anything wrong with you not liking Blink 182, I just don't agree with you calling them posers! I have friends that hate them and I'm fine with that, I just feel the need to correct people if they come out with false statements, that's all. Blink aren't a "punk" band they are "punk/pop" two different genres. |
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Post by i shouldn't be here on Mar 10, 2005 14:09:49 GMT
exactly! i don't mind bands being called nu-punk or pop-punk cause it kinda signifies the difference it's when they're referred to as punk, that it annoys me, cause like you say heartbroken it's two seperate genres.
what punk bands are people interested in?
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Post by sara on Mar 10, 2005 14:51:16 GMT
I wasn´t talking about you, csolis.
In fact I wasn´t talking about anyone on this board especially. As I said I had some experience with the so-called "Indie-community" and they weren´t tolerant towards other styles of music.
But forget it, it´s not important.
By the way, I love the beatles. One of my best friends has all their albums, she´s so in love with Ringo and I don´t understand it, cause he´s such a strange guy and not even good looking.
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Post by meggg on Mar 10, 2005 14:59:33 GMT
I agree, by the way, Sara. People who listen to mainly Indie music (I include the Kings in this, Strokes, Killers, Bloc Party, White Stripes, Hives, Vines, Libertines, Doves, Futureheads, Kaiser Chiefs, Kasabian etc) are in general less tolerant to other types of music. Indie is the only music worth listening to, and the other genres have very little merit. Most of the hard-core indie fans I know tend to be quite elitist with their views on music. (Hell, I find myself leaning towards this when it comes to discussing music with people who aren't into indie).
To be honest though, I'd say the same could be said for anyone who listens largely to one genre of music. The people who are only into hip hop/r&b tend to think Indie music is just bad noise.
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Post by appleshaker on Mar 10, 2005 15:10:39 GMT
i listen to kings of leon, killers, the kills, razor light, willy mason but i also listen to death from above 1979, velvet revolver, the doors, skid row, QOTSA, guns n roses, kiss , ac/dc, ugly kid joe, head automatica, .......ect
so what does that make me ?
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Post by meggg on Mar 10, 2005 15:52:24 GMT
I listen to pretty much everyone you listed...
I think that just generally makes you a rock music enthusiast, with no particular genre, same as me.
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Post by appleshaker on Mar 10, 2005 16:04:00 GMT
cool  |
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Post by smikalis on Mar 10, 2005 17:17:28 GMT
Not to get this off topic and back to my original topic but does anyone know how well it sold this week? There's no mention of it in the RS album sales so if anyone can find out that would be great! RS said the big loser this week (last week it was KOL) was Tori Amos who sold just a few more albums than Aha Shake....
If someone has an account with Billboard.com they can look it up.
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Post by sara on Mar 10, 2005 17:44:50 GMT
Good point, meggg.
I don´t want to say that all Indie-Fans (I do listen to that kind of music as well) aren´t tolerant.
Cause then I would say that I´m not tolerant as well and I hope that I am. But I don´t know so many hardcore Hip-Hop or Heavy Metal Fans or whatever. That´s the reason why I just mentioned the "Indie-community" (I should stop using this word).
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