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Post by rockchick26 on Jun 2, 2009 19:29:49 GMT
Handsintheair...I didnt see that interview where Matt talks about cars but I remember another recent interview where Matt says when he's home he hardly ever plays guitar. He only picks it up to practice during soundchecks! and he also didn't play guitar for a few years before the band came to be. So yeah maybe music isn't Matt's heart and soul, but he sure does look like he's enjoying it when he's onstage!
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Post by whiskers on Jun 2, 2009 22:36:00 GMT
fuck yeah!! that album was something a bit special alright. i love that album!!  I think their hearts and souls are definitely in it! Without a doubt. I really can't see how they'd have managed to have toured this long or moved their careers so far forward if it was 'just' caleb or some other combination of the band alone. they'd all need to have been there, they've all put their lives into this. Matt, just needs a fcking break (i was So pleased to read that in RS, thank god, it was confusing me why they wouldn't). I want him to go home and stay there til he gets sick of it! I don't know if i've read the article where he is saying he doesn't play his guitar at home but he gets enough practice on the road, it must get frustrating having these ideas and not being able to lay them down. what was the thing caleb said? something like, the rest of the band always ask if he's written the words yet cause then they can put the song together? it must get tense -but that's just their dynamic, i s'pose. plus, when yr on the road that much, you need a clean break. |
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Post by sarahrose on Jun 2, 2009 23:57:34 GMT
This may all be a recapitulation of what others on here have said, but I haven't had the time to read them all, and I had to get this down before it left my head. Sorry, I know it's long, I think I've missed attempting to have intelligent thoughts in school and writing essays. I know, I'm a total nerd.
I've been thinking about this a lot recently and an analogy finally clicked with me. I studied art history in college, ancient greek and everything after it, most recently european artists of the 20th century and contemporary art. What caused me to relate the issue of matt or jared not liking the early music to the visual arts is that many of the great artists of the past destroyed their early works. They didn't want people to even get a glimpse of the works because they weren't great enough, or they weren't a decent enough barometer of what they were doing or where they were going. This reminded me of an artist I did a project on last semester, Morris Louis (if you don't know who he is I suggest you google him, he was amazing), he said once, "I don't care a great deal about the positive accomplishments in my work since that leads to an end. I look at paintings from the negative side, what is left out is useful only as that leads to the next try and the next."
It's necessary to view music writing very much like painting, it's an expression of oneself and very much an attempt at breaking down boundaries and doing something new, something no one has thought to do before. Being an artist, musically and visually, is about constantly growing, maturing, and figuring oneself out. I think it's only natural for someone to look back on old songs or paintings and think, "What the hell was I thinking? I can and will do so much better than that." And I find it even more natural for a group of four family members, and we know how it goes: comprised of three brothers and a cousin lol, to have different influences, ideas and directions. It is sad to think that some of the music we hold so dear to our hearts is not loved by the very men who created it, but I think it's only a problem that's impossibly inherent in the creative process. I think they still appreciate the fans and enjoy our adoration for them, but as the artists themselves they still feel the need to grow and do different things. I think that's how the guys are feeling right now, a deep desire to do things differently and possibly better than they did in the past. Which leads me to my conclusion,
I was watching the Punk Rock: The Blank Generation episode of "The Seven Ages of Rock" when Joe Strummer of The Clash said something that made such perfect sense:
"You do the same thing and who wants to know after a while, you know? It makes people sick in the head to do that. So we have to always try new things, you know, and like everyone's a lot of, sort of, like sheep, you know, going 'neeeh, it's horrible' and 'neeeh it's nice,' you know, but they don't fucking know."
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Post by maltomeel on Jun 3, 2009 0:22:40 GMT
I believe it is simply and age thing. They will naturally require more time to be comfortable with an audience and themselves. It seems like "embarrassment" to me above arrogance. It reminds me a bit of my 7 year old  (in a good way) |
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Post by Savanna on Jun 3, 2009 0:24:10 GMT
I also think it's mostly due to age.
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Post by jeffica on Jun 3, 2009 0:31:03 GMT
Wow. Karma (sarahrose). That's what I tried to say really badly in my post, but you hit the nail on the head. Maybe I should stop doing science, Art definitely has the better anaolgies. Or.. you could see them all as different organic molecules in a reaction vessel and- NO... Yes, YAYM was the shit, no denying it, but I think (and im probably preaching to the wrong crowd here...) we should just keep it, and aha, in their own shiny bubbles of goodness. Because I reckon that, even if they wanted to, if they went back now and did another one like that it still wouldnt sound the same. Its like parents keeping finger paintings their kids did... Ha wait, thats not about Matt and Jared AT ALL. sorry... This is. I can't fully justify this statement, as I only got into the kings in a BIG way in 07, so before that I hadn't read any press/interviews or anything, but it seems that (and correct me if I'm wrong and this is a new phenomena...) they've always been really different, and thats why the music sounds like it does. I've read interviews where they said that they "all pull in different directions, and what comes out at the end is Kings of Leon". So maybe now with all the extra attention, that's what we are seeing, and it looks like 'creative differences' or whatever. I mean, Jared and Caleb seem to talk about the new album in VERY different ways, Caleb is obviously after a deliberately less commercial, more bluesy sound, whereas Jared has talked about wanting to do something really creative, and wierd, but then also said something about not shooting themselves in the foot. They're onto a good thing, it must be really tempting to see how far it will go. So I'll wait and see. End ramble EDIT: Sorry, didn't mean to put a preaching pun in there... |
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Post by ticboo on Jun 3, 2009 9:33:45 GMT
Sarahrose, aside from the fact that we wil never know for sure what's behind some of the things they say unless they explain themselves more, I think your post makes a very important point. Being critical of past achievement/creativity is actually quite common. It's not a bad thing, it's part of what drives the creative process forwards into the future.
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Post by schnucams on Jun 3, 2009 10:46:37 GMT
Can't find the link right now, but in the extended podcast version the interviewer asked them a question about cars and Matt suddenly came to life! Started talking a blue streak about engines and tech stuff (reminded me soo much of my brother  ). I swear, i've never heard him so animated before. After about 5 mins the interviewer apologised for taking them off topic and Matt said no problem, this was really fun. If u find this interview (or if anyone else does) can u post it please |
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Post by timgrw on Jun 3, 2009 11:35:29 GMT
Just spotted this thread now. Interesting.
I actually like Matt's quotes in Mojo because at least he's being honest. Since the release of YAYM they have matured so much as a band in a musical sense and although I adore that album there's such a rawness to it. Both Matt and Jared have improved so so much since YAYM and it's natural they cringe when they listen back now. I think all of us cringe back on years gone by as we mature and maturing as a musician is no different.
Jared doesn't seem himself of late for sure. Maybe it's the whole fame thing. When KOL still weren't big I personally thought Jared would be the one to handle the fame best if it ever came their way. I mean that in the cool kid sense of the word but I don't think he likes it very much. Caleb and Nate presumably don't like it much either but they seem to be able to accept it and deal with it much better.
Also I always seem to forget that Jared is still only 22 or there abouts and such fame can be stressful for someone so young and especially since he's lived in this environment since he was a 15 year old kid.
He also admitted he doesn't like, or should I say hates, touring and I suppose as a fan it disappoints me to see him not on form on stage but he's entitled to not like touring. He's a very blessed boy to be in the position he's in but none of us like every aspect of our jobs/daily lives and that makes him human.
I see someone earlier in the thread had a name calling go at Jared and I suppose that's their prerogative but as Claire said in an earlier post he did give us some classic bass faces in SF and when he came out to sign and get pics taken he was a sweetheart. Polite, friendly and obliging and as a fan that's all I can ask from him. On stage all I ask for is for him to deliver his parts of the songs and he ticks that box too.
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Post by lardydar on Jun 3, 2009 12:12:43 GMT
Well said Ruth. Bang on. I think we're all guilty of forgetting how young the two of them are, or at least were when they got into it. They'll take some time, record new stuff that they're happy with (they already sound excited about it), unleash it on us and FTW. It's completely natural that they've taken a while to ease into 'their' sound... I for one am loving watching it happen.
Just keep it coming chaps.
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Post by chloeg on Jun 3, 2009 13:20:54 GMT
i read the mojo interview too and i can see where your coming from (fromhelltomaine)
i mean it does seem that way like caleb and nathan put everything into it and they don't seem to as much, but im not suree tbh i've never met them in person and i've only seen them oonce live so maybe i'd have to see them more to notice it x
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Post by chichi on Jun 3, 2009 13:49:17 GMT
I just can't understand why he would turn his back on the audience for practically an entire show like people say he's been doing on this tour. I saw them in Detroit, but I didn't notice if he was doing it or not, and I've never seen him do that before. He seems like a nice guy, so I just don't get it.
I could understand him being sick of touring, but it still seems weird and out of character for him.
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Post by timgrw on Jun 3, 2009 13:54:27 GMT
^^^ Yea it's odd. I've seen four shows since January and thankfully he hasn't done it once at any of them On occasions he did face his amp but certainly not for the whole show. Are people exaggerating? |
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Post by chichi on Jun 3, 2009 13:56:26 GMT
Maybe they are  If so, then ignore my previous posts!!!! |
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Post by timgrw on Jun 3, 2009 14:03:38 GMT
^^^ No need to ignore it chicken but sometimes, you know yourself, if he turns his back for a few song s things get blown out of proportion and next minute it's on here that he stood with his back to the crowd for the whole night. I could be wrong but as I said he didn't do that at any of the shows I went to but he could have done it at others. I once had to watch Dylan sit with his back to the crowd for an entire set, Van Morrisson too, so maybe he's trying to emulate them |
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Post by chichi on Jun 3, 2009 14:19:18 GMT
I once had to watch Dylan sit with his back to the crowd for an entire set, Van Morrisson too, so maybe he's trying to emulate them Did they really?  ? If it were me, I would've walked out! That's just so rude....I don't care how shy or introverted you are!! |
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Post by timgrw on Jun 3, 2009 14:25:12 GMT
^^^ Yup. They were both in bad moods and are notorious for doing it.  |
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Post by chloeg on Jun 3, 2009 14:36:55 GMT
^^^ Yup. They were both in bad moods and are notorious for doing it. YEAH i've heard that too,. i couldnt put up with it |
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Post by NikLovesLeb on Jun 3, 2009 15:06:14 GMT
I once had to watch Dylan sit with his back to the crowd for an entire set, Van Morrisson too, so maybe he's trying to emulate them Did they really? ? If it were me, I would've walked out! That's just so rude....I don't care how shy or introverted you are!! I've been to 10-12 Dylan concerts. He always does something weird. I dont even pay attention any more. I come there to hear mumbling music, and expect weirdness. Maybe I just dont think that it's rude, but rather eccentric. Jared, though, is too young to be eccentric. |
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Post by timgrw on Jun 3, 2009 15:15:45 GMT
Did they really? ? If it were me, I would've walked out! That's just so rude....I don't care how shy or introverted you are!! I've been to 10-12 Dylan concerts. He always does something weird. I dont even pay attention any more. I come there to hear mumbling music, and expect weirdness. Maybe I just dont think that it's rude, but rather eccentric. Jared, though, is too young to be eccentric. Jared too young to be eccentric That made me giggle and you're right. Re Dylan, I'm the same. I could still hear his music so I was happy enough because after all he's reknowned for such things. In general KOL are much better to watch on stage now compared to when they came out first even is the J man is a little quiet. They are a tighter unit, a unit that's much more able to deliver a set with panache musically, much more interaction. Jared is only one of four. He also plays that bass well, it sounds good and that me likey |
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? If it were me, I would've walked out! That's just so rude....I don't care how shy or introverted you are!!
