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Post by blackskye on May 12, 2009 6:28:59 GMT
ill probably make some people mad but this is just my oppinion i really dont care how popular they get as long as they keep making good music.the new album was more 'mainstream' but you want the music to change in some aspects otherwise youll probably get bored with it and move on.yeah fans who like kol for all the wrong reasons are annoying but your not going to the shows and buying the albums for them,your doing it to support kol.as a fan i want the guys to succeed,yes popularity effects alot of things but i have faith that it wont effect the thing that matters the most to me,the music. just my oppinion.you dont have to agree with me.  |
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Post by jeffica on May 12, 2009 6:44:09 GMT
Yea I think everyone is sort of pushing the same hypothetical argument...
I started writing one thing, forgot what it was and ended up changing my own mind. Hmm.... I'm obviously REAL passionate about it!!
I don't really know how I feel about the fame thing. Half of me is really proud and the other half is kind annoyed, all mixed together in a gooey "i sholdn't really care and have better things to worry about" sort of avoidance scheme.
So I changed my facebook status to "Jessica (there's my name btw...) is makin' silly faces and its tasting bittersweet", which says it all and nothing right?
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Post by montana on May 12, 2009 9:20:09 GMT
It was one of those lazy sunday afternoons, talking shit while watching MTV with my sister (to criticize all the bands, of course... it's like a hobby),. hahahahah my friend and i like to do that with a bottle of wine on a friday evening..great fun bitching about all the shite new bands  |
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Post by lardydar on May 12, 2009 9:29:38 GMT
Stop thinking so hard. Do you like their music? Yes? Thought so. That's enough.
Don't give a rat's arse about what ANYONE else thinks, whether they like Kings or not, and you won't go far wrong.
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Post by sugarhiccup on May 12, 2009 9:39:34 GMT
woah. its genuinely interesting to hear people's pov here, seriously, its is. I'd like to just say that my first thread, I didn't criticise any new fans for the fact they only just cottoned on to kol, if you have love for their music then it doesn't matter if you've listened to them for 5 years or 5 weeks. I think the point I was trying to make was pop culture seems to pillage originality and things you hold dear to your heart, once the mainstream catches on, they don't feel as special anymore. I know it's inevitable but it's hard coming to terms with this. on a slightly unrelated point, which will kind of help explain where i'm at.... has anyone heard of the 'trickle up' theory? in fashion terms, it's basically...street fashion, a style hunter will go out and about and see what original, individual styles people have come up with and are wearing, and then they will take this to the fashion houses and make it their own, put their own stamp on it and such. then there will be new versions of the original 'seen on the street' item, which will be all over the catwalks. then the high street stores will start making their own cheaper versions of whatever this revered new fashion item is. then everyone starts to wear said fashion item. therefore, the original 'seen on the street' item of whatever some person was wearing has now been mass produced. when we first started seeing sienna miller in the media, back in the day, she totally had her own little style going on, then everybody started wearing her 'boho' look (which must have been either oddly flattering or really annoying). but yes, I know everyone's probably going to tell me to get over it, but I really dislike pop culture. something vivienne westwood said, "Today , we do not have an elite, Popular culture is a contradiction in terms; if its popular, it's not culture." is sorrrt of what I'm getting at. but again, I've kind of lost exactly where I was going with this, there's so many points haha. anyone hear of patrick wolf? he was kind of quite popular about a year and a half ago, he released the magic position and had a lot of airplay/video play whatever. i read an interview with him after the success of the magic position, and he said he got freaked out by hearing his music being played in the background at his local asda store and he didn't like it. it's such a double edged sword, cause to make big bucks, you kind of have to become mainstream. but then if you don't like fame, and people knowing who you are, you can't undo all of your success. not that you'd want to. argghh. I've confused myself. but yes, it's great to hear what other people think. and by no means am I dissing/hating on new kol fans, it's more the way mainstream culture treats bands that have been around for years. gah.  |
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Post by sugarhiccup on May 12, 2009 9:42:58 GMT
to add to that......like when the NME make up their 'cool list'. and people totally buy into it..don't be told what to listen to or like just cause it's popular or 'cool', like something because you like it, not cause it's popular! |
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Post by missus on May 12, 2009 11:30:14 GMT
Sugarhiccup I didn't think you were dissing new fans. I don't think anyone here is.
I know with my post I was being tongue-in-cheek, but that doesn't always translate well online.
I think it's a good topic to discuss, for as long as nobody is criticising the band (which is what usually gets me cranky!)
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Post by sugarhiccup on May 12, 2009 11:37:29 GMT
okie doke missus I agree, it can be easy to read something the wrong way online, I know you weren't having a go or anything, I just wanted to make sure peeps knew I wasn't having a bitch at new fans, I welcome new fans  I'm glad I made a whole thread out of the topic, cause it's always good to discuss things that are on your mind, and there seem to be such a great group of people on here that have a lot of love for kol |
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Post by saminton on May 12, 2009 14:56:09 GMT
I don't see why somebody elses opinion of a song or band or genre of music could possibly annoy somebody.
I don't really listen to Revelry because of a guy at my work butchered the song by singing it out of tone non-stop for about 4 months. I also don't particularly think it is a brilliant song, unlike most KOL songs.
Either you like the song/band/music or you don't.
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Post by ByTheSeat on May 12, 2009 15:25:12 GMT
The "because it's popular" fans will be the same people who complain about the next album for assorted reasons. They'll claim that KOL has "changed" or hasn't changed and sounds too much the same. The true fan will love it before it's even heard and will appreciate the evolution.
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Post by saminton on May 12, 2009 22:22:30 GMT
The "because it's popular" fans will be the same people who complain about the next album for assorted reasons. They'll claim that KOL has "changed" or hasn't changed and sounds too much the same. The true fan will love it before it's even heard and will appreciate the evolution. Probably. To be honest, I'm not massively keen on OBTN. But it isn't because its a popular album. I just don't think it is edgy enough in comparison with the previous albums. There's no song that has like a swagger or attitude like a McFearless, Four Kicks or Wasted Time. OBTN was an album to take their popularity to the next level and I don't have a problem with that. They've got to have ambition and the ambition is probably to be the biggest band in the world - they can't be that by appealing to niche audiences. I think I will find their next album awesome and maybe a lot of those new fans who did only really like SOF and Use Somebody will maybe decide that they don't like KOL as much as they thought they did when they started liking those 2 tracks. It's their choices and opinions really, I'm not influenced by them an don't give them much thought. |
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Post by whiskers on May 13, 2009 13:11:48 GMT
I know all this may sound a bit melodramatic, but it annoys the crap out of me when you see some chav in your local town with sof or use somebody as their ringtone and you know that they'll have forgotten about kol in the next few months, or even weeks when the latest hot new thing arrives on the scene, be it lady-freakin-shut-yer-face-gaga or the latest teen sensation. Good. They may be the hip mainstream band at the moment, i don't see a problem with it, long as they keep doing what's important to them creatively, it can only help. I'm pretty sure money increases creative freedom. Saying that, a lot has changed since i first got into this band so i do generally tend to ignore their success and just listen for the sake of hearing new music from my favourite band. I'm sure if i took too much notice of how their music is being used, and used is a good word to sum up certain aspects of the current climate for them, then yeah it would drive me fucking nuts and turn me into a psychopath. I'd get over-protective, start grilling people & sit atop my big ole 17hnds mthrfcker horse and buy an oozy, telling people who can and who can't listen. BUT that's ridiculous. Simply ridiculous. fckn fascist! hahahahahaa I am very happy and proud of them, whatever this success means but it's separate to how i feel for the music and i don't think the two will ever come together. |
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Post by sugarhiccup on May 13, 2009 13:44:56 GMT
I know all this may sound a bit melodramatic, but it annoys the crap out of me when you see some chav in your local town with sof or use somebody as their ringtone and you know that they'll have forgotten about kol in the next few months, or even weeks when the latest hot new thing arrives on the scene, be it lady-freakin-shut-yer-face-gaga or the latest teen sensation. I'm sure if i took too much notice of how their music is being used, and used is a good word to sum up certain aspects of the current climate for them, then yeah it would drive me fucking nuts and turn me into a psychopath. I'd get over-protective, start grilling people & sit atop my big ole 17hnds mthrfcker horse and buy an oozy, telling people who can and who can't listen. BUT that's ridiculous. Simply ridiculous. fckn fascist! hahahahahaa I am very happy and proud of them, whatever this success means but it's separate to how i feel for the music and i don't think the two will ever come together. that is ridiculous, it's not about telling people who can and can't listen though, for me it's about feeling frustrated with mainstream things, which i am perfectly entitled to as that is my humble opinion. |
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Post by sugarhiccup on May 13, 2009 13:46:00 GMT
i seem to get the idea that quite a few people have totally misread my point?
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Post by whiskers on May 13, 2009 14:18:12 GMT
no, i read your post how you intended for it to be read. that was my humble opinion i was expressing. i was simultaneously defending yet challenging yr opinion. i wouldn't buy an oozie for instance, that's why i was laughing at myself by saying i sounded like a fascist for suggesting such a thing because firstly it was a joke and secondly yr right it is ridiculous, but it's somewhat how i feel sometimes and that's what this whole thread is about right, feelings? i wasn't trying to attack the part of yr post by quoting it. my post was consciously exaggerated to mirror the uncertainty of my emotions when replying to a post like this but i'm gna reply anyway cause i'm trying to figure it out. please, just read between the lines. i ultimately think yr initial post was brave and honest. it shouldn't mean this much to me but it does, you can understand that, right?
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Post by saminton on May 13, 2009 16:01:15 GMT
I'm sure if i took too much notice of how their music is being used, and used is a good word to sum up certain aspects of the current climate for them, then yeah it would drive me fucking nuts and turn me into a psychopath. I'd get over-protective, start grilling people & sit atop my big ole 17hnds mthrfcker horse and buy an oozy, telling people who can and who can't listen. BUT that's ridiculous. Simply ridiculous. fckn fascist! hahahahahaa I am very happy and proud of them, whatever this success means but it's separate to how i feel for the music and i don't think the two will ever come together. that is ridiculous, it's not about telling people who can and can't listen though, for me it's about feeling frustrated with mainstream things, which i am perfectly entitled to as that is my humble opinion. I agree with disliking people who only follow the mainstream. I wouldn't say they annoy me though as I don't give them the time of day. I dislike talking to these people as they don't really have their own opinions, they do, listen to, watch, enjoy what they are basically told to. I work with a big group of them. Maybe that is why I am tolerant of it as there are only 2 or 3 people that I work with that aren't caught up in what is mainstream. |
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Post by ByTheSeat on May 13, 2009 16:53:44 GMT
I think it's also a reason why American fans were slow to catch on - so much of what we're exposed to here is the same BS over and over. If you take everything at face value (what's on the TV/Radio) - you're never going to hear the "good stuff". If I hadn't looked under a rock in 2003 - I have absolutely no idea how I would have found this band. And as a sidenote - a LOT of good music came out in 2003. Seems all my fave albums are from the same year.  |
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Post by sugarhiccup on May 13, 2009 17:09:42 GMT
no, i read your post how you intended for it to be read. that was my humble opinion i was expressing. i was simultaneously defending yet challenging yr opinion. i wouldn't buy an oozie for instance, that's why i was laughing at myself by saying i sounded like a fascist for suggesting such a thing because firstly it was a joke and secondly yr right it is ridiculous, but it's somewhat how i feel sometimes and that's what this whole thread is about right, feelings? i wasn't trying to attack the part of yr post by quoting it. my post was consciously exaggerated to mirror the uncertainty of my emotions when replying to a post like this but i'm gna reply anyway cause i'm trying to figure it out. please, just read between the lines. i ultimately think yr initial post was brave and honest. it shouldn't mean this much to me but it does, you can understand that, right? ahhh, that makes more sense when you put it like that, i thought you were calling me a fascist haha. it's too easy to read things the wrong way when it's not spoken with an actual voice. i do understand you, thankyou for trying to understand my confused and probably wonky opinions i think the reason i started this post was because, i live in a crappy small coastal town, where everything is about 10 years behind, it's basically hicksville. and because it's a coastal town, nobody travels through it to get to another destination like with other cities/towns, the only people that come here are people that live here, so it's very insular. and people wouldn't know how to think themselves out of a paperbag. the people i see out and about up town or whatever are the kind of people that all want to be famous for all the wrong reasons, ie idolising paris hilton and wanting to be a WAG, and they read gossip magazines like they were the bible and gahh it's rather frustrating when you're totally not like that. i'm actually moving back to leeds this sunday so i'll be glad to be away from the lack of culture or free thinking haha. anywho! |
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Post by whiskers on May 13, 2009 23:33:53 GMT
Get back to Leeds sharpish! The more i take notice of their success the more i'm bothered by how they're reacting to it. I can't understand why they're dissing sex on fire so much when it, in a nutshell does what they wanted Only By The Night to do i.e give them popularity and attention primarily in america. It's hard to trust a band who can't seem to make up their mind by switching from one opinion to the next, like they have one foot on the john peel stage & the other on the pyramid stage. i feel they need to make up their minds what they want and stop bitching at it when they get it. granted, it's possibly not the easiest thing to get yr head around but when you openly admit something i think it's only right to have a little more faith in its results, otherwise it makes you look fickle and like i said hard to trust especially when the latest album is such a departure. I feel like they need to adapt, quicker and get some consistency. |
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Post by Savanna on May 14, 2009 0:43:48 GMT
^ exactly what I was saying. they contradict themselves so often these days...hopefully after this hiatus until 2010, they'll be more comfortable with who they are now and what exactly it is they want.
I think we'll be able to gauge what level of fame they're looking for/who they're looking to attract (if they are even doing so purposefully) with the feel of the next album.
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