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Post by AccuratePassion on Apr 20, 2009 8:14:08 GMT
I wouldn't take it too personal is all I am saying! They can't guess what people out there are like. They don't know whether the person sanding in the cold is a completely sane loyal fan, or a completely insane fan. They didn't want their fans to see them leave so there would be no disappointment. For this very reason! Imagine if you had been left under the impression that they all had just left the venue, like the security had told you... How would you be feeling right now? They exited another door so that fans wouldn't feel rejected! You weren't even suppose to see them leave the venue!!!! ok so here's the thing..i totally dont know where you're comin from because i am obviously more disappointed that we DIDNT see them leave the venue..and im know im not alone on this one..but isnt that the point of standing outside the venue? to see them leave? by them deceiving their fans and leaving in an undisclosed exit..they are disappointing us more bc they are basically lieing to our faces as for the security guard..the one we were chattin it up with was the head of security..he also knew the girl we were with..so he wouldnt lie to us..so he told us the truth from the beginning and told us how the BAND asked him to lie...once again..take that as you will..but we assume that to be a fukin slap in the face to the dedicated Boston fans..as few as we may be and as for lovin them for their music..let's be real..clearly this band is so much more than their music..a lot of people have become fans because of the aura of these 4 boys...if they were assholes from the beginnin, would ppl have loved them? no..not so much..it's the fact that they seemed so chill and lovin to their fans..but im sorry..to not even WAVE to fans..wtf.. Yeah, I guess that does kinda change things because I was under the assumption you wanted to meet them. Most bands are under the assumption that if you are out there waiting its to meet them, not to watch them walk to their bus. So, they chose to leave through a side door to not leave the waiting fans disappointed that they didn't walk up to them. I am not questioning the integrity of the security guard... But speaking to the band means he spoke to the bands management. The band isn't going to speak to a random security guard. They have been assholes from the beginning. Its about 50/50 of great experiences/horrible experiences I would say. I was really trying to make you feel better and let you know not to take it personal and let this ruin the experience of the show for you... Clearly, that didn't come across through the interweb.  When its meant to happen it will. It didn't happen this time, but it will! |
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Post by sharon on Apr 20, 2009 9:34:10 GMT
but Caleb must of came out, that photo I was talking about is on the offiicial forum site under the Caleb photos.
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Post by leahoz on Apr 20, 2009 9:55:56 GMT
I understand where your disappointment is coming from, with KOL it is more than just their music. They have always been genuine nice guys who have respect and gratitude for their loyal fans who have always supported them. This behaviour seems out of character and somewhat deceitful and if I was you I would also be hurt by their actions. I travelled interstate to see them in Australia and I waited for an hour outside, Matt eventally came out and he didn't even wave. It was sad that he didn't wave I was nowhere near him so couldn't talk but how hard is it to wave, he killed my concert buzz, but I still love him he'll always be the best lead guitarist. But then when I walked to the main road to get a taxi as it was that late the trams had stopped, Caleb went past us in their mini bus and the driver beeped the horn and Caleb waved.  I hope that this sad event doesn't turn your KOL love sour and that your memories of the concert help to diminsh the events afterwards. |
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Post by Black Jeans on Apr 20, 2009 9:56:59 GMT
Honestly, I totally understand where you guys are coming from. I understand the anger. But you also gotta understand they aren't obligated to give anyone anything except a good show. This has happened all the time with countless bands. Some big, some small. They were probably too fucking drunk to want to come and shmooze with people. To let this determine how you feel about the band as a whole is ridiculous. That means you went in there expecting more than you should have. I am not trying to be overtly mean, just knock a bit of sense into you two. Cause seriously... Hear hear. I've been to almost 20 KOL gigs and waited outside after all of them and only met them once and that was only because they HAD to walk past us to get to their cars. They don't have to meet you if they don't want to - its not in the contract of playing gigs that they have to do a back door appearance. They've just played over an hour set for you guys and were probably exhausted and just weren't in the mood to show their sweaty faces. They probably thought that by leaving from another exit would mean that you wouldn't be disappointed by only seeing them walk past rather than stop to talk. Every security guard I've ever talked to tells me that they've already left when I know for a fact they haven't. Also the guys don't know how many hours we put into reading & talking about them. In fact, they've never once asked us to. They are repaying our dedication by playing f***ing amazing shows, listening to our suggestions of songs (I do believe they do), touring constantly and recording all the other time, not to mention giving us insights to their lives through the home videos and the recent Rolling Stones videos. I can understand your disappointment because I have felt that plenty of times, but I have realised over time that it's not a given that I'll see/meet them after a gig and I don't let it ruin an amazing experience. Hopefully today you'll just look back on the gig and remember how that was. Because the music is the most important thing. |
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Post by elocin on Apr 20, 2009 10:03:43 GMT
Honestly, I totally understand where you guys are coming from. I understand the anger. But you also gotta understand they aren't obligated to give anyone anything except a good show. This has happened all the time with countless bands. Some big, some small. They were probably too fucking drunk to want to come and shmooze with people. To let this determine how you feel about the band as a whole is ridiculous. That means you went in there expecting more than you should have. I am not trying to be overtly mean, just knock a bit of sense into you two. Cause seriously... Hear hear. I've been to almost 20 KOL gigs and waited outside after all of them and only met them once and that was only because they HAD to walk past us to get to their cars. They don't have to meet you if they don't want to - its not in the contract of playing gigs that they have to do a back door appearance. They've just played over an hour set for you guys and were probably exhausted and just weren't in the mood to show their sweaty faces. They probably thought that by leaving from another exit would mean that you wouldn't be disappointed by only seeing them walk past rather than stop to talk. Every security guard I've ever talked to tells me that they've already left when I know for a fact they haven't. Also the guys don't know how many hours we put into reading & talking about them. In fact, they've never once asked us to. They are repaying our dedication by playing f***ing amazing shows, listening to our suggestions of songs (I do believe they do), touring constantly and recording all the other time, not to mention giving us insights to their lives through the home videos and the recent Rolling Stones videos. I can understand your disappointment because I have felt that plenty of times, but I have realised over time that it's not a given that I'll see/meet them after a gig and I don't let it ruin an amazing experience. Hopefully today you'll just look back on the gig and remember how that was. Because the music is the most important thing. Karma to both of you. |
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Post by pagalawala on Apr 20, 2009 10:19:54 GMT
cass and jen...sorry to hear this news but i hope the show was awesome.. my sisters loved it!!
anyway, i guess this is exactly the reason why i never want to wait for a band after a gig..not only because my feet hurt.. working yourself up only for disappointments was never my thing and i guess i'm a "worst case scenario" kind of girl... just like MSG i literally watched many people get all excited for the gig, love the gig right afterward and then get totally disappointed and down when the boys never came out.. it was a complete 180 of emotions and i was saddened to see this ruin all the amazing vibes created that night.. i guess i'm the type of person that never expects much from "celebrities" and that's why i never really wanna bother..
cassie and jen i know you wear your hearts on your sleeves and i'm sorry.. maybe one day when you least expect it something will happen!! it's always the random events that make life that much better!!
love you gurlies... see you in philly!
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Post by lms1980 on Apr 20, 2009 10:40:40 GMT
Well to be fair, they overall have a not so bad track record for meeting fans.
But I heard they had a flight to Toronto to catch, maybe that had something to do with it.
Who knows. Maybe they truly didn't feel like it or security deemed it unsafe.
Glad to hear it was a great show though! That is the most important thing imho.
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Post by blackcat on Apr 20, 2009 11:06:52 GMT
hey everyone. Now that I am sober I just wanted to clarify a couple of points on why i felt the way i felt:
The boys have made it a point to talk about their lack of sucess in their home country and at times given little to no credit to their small BUT faithful fanbase.
This was their first U.S arena tour and it SOLD OUT, meaning that hey, they do have fans now.
My main bone to pick is the fact that they went to GREAT lengths to avoid any interaction. I think it's that, more so than anything else that has stayed with me. Like I previously said there were no more than 30 CALM people BEHIND barracades and a lot of security.
They stated during their Saturday show that "sex on fire is not their first song" and basically in a way letting people know that they are so much more than a radio hit (which of course they are) and they complain (yes harsh word but i really can't think of another to describe it) about their lack of amercian fans when all 30 people out there were clearly fans of there earlier work and willing to stand in the freezing cold. I just don't want to hear them comlain about their u.s fan base, when they completely ignore them.
Idk I was drunk and the feelings were raw when i wrote my statement, but i still stand behind what i said. i guess i just need to reevaluate my feeling for KOL in terms of how i look at them. their music will always be a big part of my life, but getting to know them through home videos and this forum creates a type of emotional investment in them as people, something that i might need to cut out in order to just appreciate their music and not take it personally when they act in the manner in which they did last night.
Just my opinion and how I feel about them, I love them and probably wont ever stop loving the music they created, but i might have to stop defending them on other fourms when people mention their "bad attitudes" and negative feed back.
Also as a side note, the "security guard" we talked to was the HEAD of security for the arena who was a co-worker of one of the really nice girls waiting with us, I doubt he would lie to his coworker who he was friends with.
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Apr 20, 2009 11:32:19 GMT
Honestly, I totally understand where you guys are coming from. I understand the anger. But you also gotta understand they aren't obligated to give anyone anything except a good show. This has happened all the time with countless bands. Some big, some small. They were probably too fucking drunk to want to come and shmooze with people. To let this determine how you feel about the band as a whole is ridiculous. That means you went in there expecting more than you should have. I am not trying to be overtly mean, just knock a bit of sense into you two. Cause seriously... Hear hear. I've been to almost 20 KOL gigs and waited outside after all of them and only met them once and that was only because they HAD to walk past us to get to their cars. They don't have to meet you if they don't want to - its not in the contract of playing gigs that they have to do a back door appearance. They've just played over an hour set for you guys and were probably exhausted and just weren't in the mood to show their sweaty faces. They probably thought that by leaving from another exit would mean that you wouldn't be disappointed by only seeing them walk past rather than stop to talk. Every security guard I've ever talked to tells me that they've already left when I know for a fact they haven't. Also the guys don't know how many hours we put into reading & talking about them. In fact, they've never once asked us to. They are repaying our dedication by playing f***ing amazing shows, listening to our suggestions of songs (I do believe they do), touring constantly and recording all the other time, not to mention giving us insights to their lives through the home videos and the recent Rolling Stones videos. I can understand your disappointment because I have felt that plenty of times, but I have realised over time that it's not a given that I'll see/meet them after a gig and I don't let it ruin an amazing experience. Hopefully today you'll just look back on the gig and remember how that was. Karma, ladies. This sums up how I feel about the situation. Jen & Cass , I'm sorry that you felt so disappointed, but I guess like the others said - this is generally the way it is with bands on tour. Really, it's the norm. You're focusing on the fact that the boys went out of their way to avoid you seeing them...but look at it another way - the boys pretending to be already gone so as not to disappoint you by scurrying past you without stopping. ^^ this is what it comes down to really. Your expectations of them are high. If they don't reach your expectations, it doesn't mean they are assholes. |
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Post by missus on Apr 20, 2009 11:58:22 GMT
I wouldn't take the word of a security guard for anything, especially when it's something with such personal meaning to you. "Avoid the fans" were words you heard from him, not the band. My only point is that you don't really know what the band felt or said or even did. All you know is what one security guy said. That's a lot of emotion to invest in the words of some dude who was motivated by who knows what. I'm sorry your night ended that way though.  |
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Post by blackcat on Apr 20, 2009 12:11:59 GMT
^^ this is what it comes down to really. Your expectations of them are high. If they don't reach your expectations, it doesn't mean they are assholes.
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I just need to clarify that I never called them assholes, my point was just that i didnt like their trend of avoiding fans and the way in which they did it. i totally agree that i need to reavalute my expectation of them, the band becamemore than just a band to me, and i guess i need to take a step back
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Apr 20, 2009 12:24:38 GMT
[/i] I just need to clarify that I never called them assholes, my point was just that i didnt like their trend of avoiding fans and the way in which they did it. i totally agree that i need to reavalute my expectation of them, the band becamemore than just a band to me, and i guess i need to take a step back[/quote] I actually came back to the thread to edit my post and say "not that you ever called them assholes"! Sorry, I know you didn't, and I do understand where you're coming from. |
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Apr 20, 2009 12:35:28 GMT
On the same subject, I'll probably sound like an overprotective mama here or something, but I feel that at this point in their career more than ever, the Kings need to be careful about giving too much. Now that they're so successful, the demands on their presence, their time, their money, their name etc will shoot way up. I imagine that all the simple little requests (just one autograph, just one little hello) will add up into a neverending torrent of demands. The guys have always worked like bastards, touring constantly, never taking breaks between albums etc. It's like their default response to everything is "Just say yes!" (incl. the drink, the drugs, the money, the sex...I'm not trying to make out like the poor little lambs have been suffering all this time!  ). That must chip away at your soul. Now is the time where they need to start saying no if they're to hold onto themselves as people. I really hope they do, even if it means disappointing the hardcore fans. |
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Post by handsintheair on Apr 20, 2009 12:45:34 GMT
Honestly, I totally understand where you guys are coming from. I understand the anger. But you also gotta understand they aren't obligated to give anyone anything except a good show. This has happened all the time with countless bands. Some big, some small. They were probably too fucking drunk to want to come and shmooze with people. To let this determine how you feel about the band as a whole is ridiculous. That means you went in there expecting more than you should have. I am not trying to be overtly mean, just knock a bit of sense into you two. Cause seriously... Hear hear. I've been to almost 20 KOL gigs and waited outside after all of them and only met them once and that was only because they HAD to walk past us to get to their cars. They don't have to meet you if they don't want to - its not in the contract of playing gigs that they have to do a back door appearance. They've just played over an hour set for you guys and were probably exhausted and just weren't in the mood to show their sweaty faces. They probably thought that by leaving from another exit would mean that you wouldn't be disappointed by only seeing them walk past rather than stop to talk. Every security guard I've ever talked to tells me that they've already left when I know for a fact they haven't. Also the guys don't know how many hours we put into reading & talking about them. In fact, they've never once asked us to. They are repaying our dedication by playing f***ing amazing shows, listening to our suggestions of songs (I do believe they do), touring constantly and recording all the other time, not to mention giving us insights to their lives through the home videos and the recent Rolling Stones videos. I can understand your disappointment because I have felt that plenty of times, but I have realised over time that it's not a given that I'll see/meet them after a gig and I don't let it ruin an amazing experience. Hopefully today you'll just look back on the gig and remember how that was. Because the music is the most important thing. I have to agree. Playing their hearts out night after night IS how they show their appreciation for their fans (new and old). They're not obligated to come out and chat afterwards. So when they do, it really is something special. But at the same time i can understand why you're so pissed off and disappointed. Waiting outside in the friggin cold is never fun, especially if you've travelled a long way just to see them play. And all you want is 5 min of face time to express how much the music means to you. I'm surprised to hear they've stopped meeting fans after shows over the last few months. Cause in my experience they've always been gracious about taking time to sign stuff and get photos (as recently as last Nov). So unless the guys have had a massive personality change since Nov, i'm thinking this is a management decision, not theirs. For all we know, they may be getting death threats. Remember that recent newspaper article about the stalkers showing up at their mailbox? If that happened to me, i'd be sneaking out of the venue too!! Sadly, there are some CRAZY people out there who ruin it for others who are just normal fans. I don't know the guys personally, but i'd be shocked to find out they've "gone Hollywood" and don't care about their fans anymore. No one changes that much, that quickly. Who knows, maybe after all the "KOL hype" of the last few months settles down, their management will feel more comfortable about them mingling with fans after shows like they used to. Cassie and Jen, i'm sure you'll get the chance to meet them eventually, as long as you don't give up on the band. |
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Post by moongoesred on Apr 20, 2009 12:50:59 GMT
Hey everyone, I'm the girl who was with Cassie and Jen who works with the head of security. I've been a die-hard fan for almost 5 years and have only ever lurked on here, so I came to post pics from the show! I was in the arena seats Saturday without my camera  But I was second row on the floor last night and got some baller shots of Matthew (my favorite <3). Aah I wish I had been on here sooner, I could have given y'all the presale password, since I came up with it haha. Or rather, helped my boss come up with it, but "NACHO" was my first pick. Anyway, it was a great show, and thankfully the audience was a lot more receptive the second night. It was disappointing to see so many people sitting or standing completely still because they didn't even know any of the songs from Because of the Times. When my bosses were in talks about the Kings coming to Agganis I freaked cause I knew that would happen, and they normally seem to love Boston. So I hope we redeemed ourselves! And about waiting for the band.. It's something I've never done before, but I guess it was so upsetting because we all know how often they've come out and waved to the fans before. And Scott wasn't lying to us. He would go in, check, report back that they had friends visiting with them, and then that two of them had already left out the side. But he was completely honest and helpful the whole time, even if he thought we were crazy. As soon as I get the pics uploaded on photobucket I'll post 'em for ya. I'm Katie by the way |
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Post by sarahrose on Apr 20, 2009 12:53:36 GMT
hi katie! welcome. i can't wait for your pics. |
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Post by moongoesred on Apr 20, 2009 13:36:48 GMT
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Post by carrielinn on Apr 20, 2009 13:42:50 GMT
*hugs* i'm sorry you had that experience i know this doesn't make a lot of difference right now cause you are still feshly dissapointed but i'm sure they had a good reason to run off like that! like someone else said above they probably had to catch their flight to toronto and 30 (did i read that right) fans waiting outside is actually A LOT in my experience as well to be waiting for the band after the show. |
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Post by sarahrose on Apr 20, 2009 13:50:02 GMT
so what was general admission like? i'm still trying to get a feel for what to expect in may. like the pics from friday looked as though the floor had chairs? anyway, those pics are fab.
oh and your photobucket is asking me for a password?
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Post by Savanna on Apr 20, 2009 14:03:25 GMT
I just gotta say, that the excuse about the guys needing to be "extra careful" now due to being bigger? Sorry but that really doesn't show any relevance to me. There could've been just as many crazy fans in 2005 as there could be now.
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