WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??

[Fabi Castro]

I cannot believe it has happened once again!!! Just one day is too much to waiting?

One more time a commercial material of the band is leaked at the official board!
Where are the administrator and the moderator that don't stop things like this, when they happen?
That is robbery, what is happening here on that board is something terrible!

That board got the honor from be the official one of the band (by the way, without any worth) and it has been sabotaging the band without any shame.
Does anybody here have some idea about how much that should make the boys feel sad? How much should they feel badly for seeing their own fans sabotage the band every time?

The administrator or the mediator should delete posts like these, that contain commercial material about the band, and not to allow that it happens again, sending a pm and warning the person who made that.
I am imagining the boys seeing what uses to happen here, and they could not do anything, because any attempt that they’ll get to try to stopping it to happen, they will be accused of be mercenaries, that they only think about money. Being stolen and having to be quiet, or they’ll be attacked by people that said are fans of the band, say that admire and respect the work that they do!

People come with the excuse that nowadays is inevitable something like that to happen, of course is inevitable, because always will have somebody that doesn't respect anything and don't care if they will harm the band, and don't care if is practicing a criminal act.

The one which comes here and posts the link, thinks he/she made something beautiful, wonderful, because a lot of idiots come in the sequence and says, "oh thanks, karma for you". Karma for stealing? Excuse me, but I don't understand that.
Because you smart guy that got the single before the release day, why you doesn't keep it just with you? Or only send to your best friend in a very discreet way, instead coming to the official board, to posting the material. Shame on you.

I know that a lot of people will come here and post thousands arguments, they are going to be very angry of me, but is ok, you're welcome.
And nothing justifies the fact that you dispose one material that is not yours, and it is also protected by copyright laws.

Everytime I see something like that happenning here, and unhappily I see things like that happening all the time, I try to imagine what it’s the reaction of the band, what they feel about it, and I imagine they come here and see their work, that is result of days, months of dedication and effort, being disrespect by people which go to their concerts, shake they hands, ask them to take a picture, and they, even tired, kindly stop to listening to what everyone has to say, that they admire and respect their work ...It's that the respect that you have tor them?

When they don't have their work stolen, they are attacked morally for anything they do, no matter what it is, never is good enough, always there’s something they said, or did, that is reproved by practically everyone here (only few exceptions), any nonsense subject you all get to convert in a storm, and increase it in a ridiculous proportion. Oh this is what you call freedom of expression, right?

And where is their freedom of expression? They even don’t have the right to cut their hair, ‘cos you think you have the right of demanding explanations.

Just because they were born with a lot of talent it doesn’t mean they’re faultless, they are human and normal as each person on this board. They are persons who make mistakes, most of times they do right, but they are normal and they are every day learning with that.
They have soul and heart, and for that reason they should suffer with a lot of things that it happens here. You spend all day judging them, but I am sure that nobody here tolerates not even the half of they already passed and they still pass in their lives.

I know I will probably be attacked for everybody, because I made this topic, and some persons will remove my karmas, I don't care about that. If, to get karma in that board, people need to sabotage the band, please the more negative karmas I get, happier I will be.

Making mistakes is something that we, human being, know very well, but it is never too late to recognize that and change.

[quelquefois]

Your post is very vague, but I think I know what you're talking about.

One: the debates about the haircut are all jokes, understand that.

And, two: I completely agree with the fact about sharing the file before it was available and before the band officially did as well. So karma for that idea although now it's just counterintuitive according to you.

One more thing, I don't know if it's a language barrier, but a lot of the things we talk about and are really ridiculously foolish/idiotic about are mostly jokes. A lot of us (me, for example) are also very agressive with eachother and you might see lots of fights going on, but they're also mostly in jest.

We're a hostile group, but only because we're clowns. Next time, I recommend, be specific about the things you write about. "Commercial Material" could mean anything.

Take care.

[skatf]

I'm not sure about any of the illegal activity but as for the rest of it - whooooooaaaaah sonny. Most of the stuff here is a joke and is taken as such. Sometimes things get a little bit fraught, for example when a member of the band is criticised. But again, 99% of the time it is nothing more than a laugh and even when it does get serious I think most people agree to disagree. This is actually one of the friendliest and most light-hearted forums I've been on. I think you need to chill a little.

[skatf]

Oh and for what it's worth - I don't think Caleb had the right to cut his hair and you better believe I will demanding an explanation.

[Sephora FairyQueen]

It's about WooHoo. The link for the download was posted. But proper fans will go out and buy the single went it comes out all the same.
We're just a bunch of impatient little buggers. Well, I am anyway.

Dont worry, fans will buy the single. And KOL will get their cash and will once again be able to dazzle us with their fashion choices!

[skatf]

sephorafairyqueen said:

It's about WooHoo. The link for the download was posted. But proper fans will go out and buy the single went it comes out all the same.
We're just a bunch of impatient little buggers. Well, I am anyway.

Dont worry, fans will buy the single. And KOL will get their cash and will once again be able to dazzle us with their fashion choices!

If not their haircuts!

[Sephora FairyQueen]

Hehe..I dunno...Caleb's haircut couldnt have costed that much!

[suneyedgirl]

Heh I will be buying it also, even though I will get dodgy looks from my friends for purchasing a sing.. which I haven't done since I used to by 7 inch.

I wonder if you can get it on 7 inch................. *wonders*

[skatf]

And to think that's where my hard earned money may have gone!!! I want a refund.

[rosalee123]

As I've said before. I never download anything unless the bands profits from it. I am just going to specially order it from my local record store. They do stuff like that for me all the time. Or maybe just get it from Amazon.com, or ebay. I also agree that the first post was very vague,

[mynameisdominic]

This is the only forum i go on, but i can imagine it is one of the nciest forums with the nicest people. There never seems to be 'real' fights about soemthing as we all share our love of Kings Of Leon and other bands/movies and television.

Obviously us Kings Of Leon fans care more about their hair or fashion, how else would've we gotten into them and liked them so much to join a forum on them? A very good point about the downloading though, as this shouldn't be used as if its limewire and that could easily be stopped.

Well keep on keepin' on, Dom

[mynameisdominic]

Ohh rosalee i also dont download, used to when i was 12 or something, but then i just delted all of it. Only thing i've downloaded is that FREE Ep The Rescue by Explosions In The Sky in which they gave permission to download it.

[rooney217]

yeah, the downloading thing is pretty bad..but this forum is pretty sweet. pretty much everyone here gets along with each other. i went to the bravery forum and its all catfights and calling one band members girlfriend a "hooker homeless heroin addict"

[rosalee123]

rooney217 said:

yeah, the downloading thing is pretty bad..but this forum is pretty sweet. pretty much everyone here gets along with each other. i went to the bravery forum and its all catfights and calling one band members girlfriend a "hooker homeless heroin addict"

Oh yes, The Bravery forum...

[evilincarnate]

Yeah, I'm guilty, I posted the Woo Hoo link, but honestly...I'm sure most people who go here are also going to purchase it...maybe even in several different formats. If you are a band today you have to get over the fact that people are going to download your material, it's inevitable. In the end, that's one more person that could potentially become a bigger fan and go on to buy more albums, merch, or concert tickets and support you further. I don't really feel all that bad about leaking one B-side a little early (I found it elsewhere online, so I wasn't even the original culprit).

I will personally apologize from the depth of my heart if I hurt any member of KOL's feelings by posting a link if that's what it takes to make them feel better...(if adding well over $300 in merch, CDs and gig tickets to their bank accounts this year alone wasn't enough already...plus I play them on the radio all the time as a DJ!)

Anyway, yeah...sorry. And I have to agree that this forum is definitely the most welcoming and positive of any fan message board I've been a member of (which is many...Arctic Monkeys, Kaiser Chiefs, The Libertines, and Dirty Pretty Things to name a few).

[Fabi Castro]

Am I sounding vague? Really?

Excuse me, but I think I was pretty specific when I talked about commercial material. But since some persons didn't understand, I’m gonna explain better.
Commercial material is, albums, EP's, singles...everything that was protected by the copyright. Well, it’s material that it belongs to the band, and that if you want to consume, you have to pay for that, and also people don’t have the right to dispose this things the way they want, ‘cos it’s not theirs, it’s the band’s .

I think a board is a place to sharing information about the band, news, photos, reviews, live mp3's, live videos, concert dates...stuffs like these.
Of course, it’s a place where the fans have the opportunity to know each other, interact, talk about the band, but most of the time you are very cruel, and you say that are mostly jokes, probably, a lot of thing people say here are so stupid that makes me laugh, but I doubt that the guys laugh about most of things that it is said. Even a person with the hugest sense of humor in the world can tolerate so much.

Imagine your friends and relatives reading all those crazy things that are said here, everything has a limit, and there’s a big difference among innocent jokes, disrespect, mockery and even cruelty.

sephorafairyqueen said:

Dont worry, fans will buy the single. And KOL will get their cash

Unhappily a lot of people think the same, Sephora and that is very sad.

I think the priority of the band is not sell million copies of their albums and singles. Money is not the most important thing, and considering the way they have been working along all those years of career, I think it’s proved. If they wanted to win a lot of cds, they would have made an album for radios, with a commercial sound, like all the trash who sells millions of copies. The work that KOL do is original, and not like a clone of the hype bands, and I’ve been seeing thousands of people trying to sound like KOL, and even so they don’t get to sound good, it doesn't work because it is not honest.

Of course the money is an important factor, it is important for everybody, they deserve to be paid for their work, after all nobody works for free, and probably many people don't work as hard as them.

But there’s one thing I guess you don't realize, it’s the fact that exists a record label behind the band, and that record label worries about numbers and profit, independently of the quality, credibility and respect that the band reached along their career, if they don't reach the sales number that the label want, it will demand some explanation from them about sales. The band needs a big label supporting them, to getting spreading their music around the world. I think people here get to imagine how much pressure there’s on them. It’s undeniable they are a respect band, but as they are not a commercial band, the label probably put a lot pressure of them, and certainly if a single, or an album doesn't reach the numbers foreseen by the label, the chances of a new album decrease, the label wants profit, and if the band don’t get to give it to the label, people there will think it’s not advantageous to have the band there, and then the guys take the risk to lose their label, and if it happen, how they get to keep doing their great work? That’s the way things work, I guess everybody knows about that.

Then when their albums and singles are leaked, it's obvious that sales decrease, many persons which download the illegal material don’t buy the original cds, and it’s brings damage to the band. Not just because they will receive some dollars, but because the label won't reach the numbers and profit they long for.

Do you really think the band just does that for the money? It’s obvious they have their financial objectives, consumption dreams that most of the time is a blessing to be accomplished. If you work so much, why do not being remunerated?

But a band that goes to the stage and makes a great show as they do, can only make that for love and dedication, and the whole profit that it brings is a great bonus. But a band that goes to the stage, even when one of their members is sick, when they just could cancel the show, can only make that for love and profession respect. If they had to cancel some few shows, we can have some idea how much sick Caleb was. So, before saying they only worry about the money, stop and think about it.
Excuse me, but more specific than this, is impossible.

Look evelincarnate, you don't have to apologize to any KOL fan for having posted their link, but to the band. The fact that you have spent your money buying their material, don’t give you the right of posting the Woo Hoo link.

Is very nice that you play them on the radio like DJ, it helps people to know the band and their work, and it helps you to have a great set list.
I am sure the link that you posted here are gonna be spread in a huge proportion, many people will make other links, and send for other people, and this is going to be larger more and more.

This year you gave to the band $300, spending it on all those stuffs, but you also made them lose much more than that, can be sure. That’s the reason why I think the only one which deserves apologies is the band. You are using a thing that every fan does, that is buying tickets, cds and merch, as an excuse to justify something wrong you did.

And everybody thinks that it’s always about the money, but I think all the money of this world isn’t enough to compensate the deception of seeing your work, which was made with so much dedication, and make you feel so proud, being disrespected this way by your own fans.

You all seem to think that it’s all about money, sales and profit and financial advantages, but where’s the respect for the band you say you admire and you are fans of? It feels like people here think fans have the right to do anything to the band, including disrespecting them, just ‘cos they buy their stuffs.

[evilincarnate]

I'm pretty sure I didn't make them loose more than $300...considering the link I posted had already made it's way to the largest music torrent tracker on the web...and that cd singles only cost under $5...and that in all honesty, most people that download it illegally, if unable to download for free, would probably just not buy it at all (I mean this in the case of a B-side/single NOT a full album)...because in the end, it's just the hardcore fans that feel obligated to have complete collections, and casual fans aren't going to be chuffed either way. Of course, I'm American so I'm speaking for our record sales, not Europe, where I realize singles are more popular.

And, if you read my first reply, I DID apologize to the band, not the fans. I'd really rather just drop this now, but I felt that I needed to defend myself. I've said my piece, and I'm finished now. Whatever.

[mollymolly]

skatf said:

I'm not sure about any of the illegal activity but as for the rest of it - whooooooaaaaah sonny. Most of the stuff here is a joke and is taken as such. Sometimes things get a little bit fraught, for example when a member of the band is criticised. But again, 99% of the time it is nothing more than a laugh and even when it does get serious I think most people agree to disagree. This is actually one of the friendliest and most light-hearted forums I've been on. I think you need to chill a little.

100% agreed. Try having a mooch on some of the Strokes forums.........jesus.

[mynameisdominic]

Nathan bet with Caleb 100,000 dollars on some issue on his marraige! Jared was aobut to buy a house that he saw when he visited his home for a few weeks on pure instinct! trust me, i know this may have nothing to do with your point, but they have enough money.

[rooney217]

fabi said:

Am I sounding vague? Really?


And everybody thinks that it’s always about the money, but I think all the money of this world isn’t enough to compensate the deception of seeing your work, which was made with so much dedication, and make you feel so proud, being disrespected this way by your own fans.

You all seem to think that it’s all about money, sales and profit and financial advantages, but where’s the respect for the band you say you admire and you are fans of? It feels like people here think fans have the right to do anything to the band, including disrespecting them, just ‘cos they buy their stuffs.

who said it was all about the money? no one posted "its all about the money" you're just stipulating that we all think about the money but you're the only one talking about money. we get it its not all about the money...part of it is but not all of it.