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Post by protagonist on Dec 14, 2008 15:39:55 GMT
here i would like to thank him for making 3 incredible records especially BOTT where he really comes to up trumps.
Also i would like to know why the lads dropped him for Jacquire King
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Post by chichi on Dec 15, 2008 13:17:54 GMT
Me too!
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Post by jonathan88 on Dec 15, 2008 13:37:34 GMT
Change?
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Post by protagonist on Dec 15, 2008 19:06:58 GMT
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Post by schnucams on Dec 15, 2008 19:12:46 GMT
^^No, but not taking a chance to change can be stifling and would bother me more!!! I respect KOL for taking the chance, I'd bet money they're not sorry they did it either!!
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Post by jonathan88 on Dec 15, 2008 19:14:03 GMT
Change may not always be good but it is necessary.
In this case...I think it was good, not better, not worse, but a good move.
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Post by schnucams on Dec 15, 2008 19:22:12 GMT
^^ Agreed!!
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Post by whiskers on Mar 23, 2009 1:34:09 GMT
i miss the guy and i'm happy there's an appreciatin thread - which i've just found - i have issues with the production on the latest album, it's amazing, truly it is and he makes it work really well. Basically, with the first three albums it feels like Ethan let's the band breathe, whereas, please dnt smite me, just an opinion, it feels like Jacquires' production rules and i'd just rather hear the band play than acknowledge his production proess - which i do find very good - however like i say, i wanna hear them play not how good or not good Jacquire may be. That's just how it feels.
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Post by ticboo on Mar 23, 2009 1:41:04 GMT
I might agree with that, kind of.
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Post by whiskers on Mar 23, 2009 1:52:46 GMT
karma
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Post by ticboo on Mar 23, 2009 2:00:24 GMT
hahahaa! you know that made me laugh - and I'm in such a funny bad mood right now so well done! I'd give you karma, but I can't cos I gave it to you a short while ago to make 57 just cos I liked some of your other posts.  I don't know what's best for the kings productionwise - I don't think they can go back to EJ, but it's not quite right for me on OBTN (too much) - be interesting to see what happens next. |
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Post by whiskers on Mar 23, 2009 2:30:56 GMT
thanks! :~)
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Post by Razz! on Apr 1, 2009 16:41:37 GMT
Ethan did a great job with KOL. Regardless of what happened with Jaquire, I appreciate Ethan's work with their first three albums. Some people don't realise it but production is a huge factor in an album's likeability and general output. I hope to be a producer one day, amongst other things  Ethan has also done a sterling job with the artist Ray LaMontagne, who I would highly recommend. Ethan produced his albums and also plays many things on them, including guitar, keyboard/synth and ukelele Here's a link in case anyone wants to check Ray LaMontagne out. His music is very soothing and has a lovely country feel to it! www.raylamontagne.comHere's a youtube vid of what I think is his best song, since there's no audio on his actual site. This isn't a proper video, it's just the song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuGhWgEiIdwxxx |
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Post by whiskers on Apr 3, 2009 21:54:27 GMT
i heard a couple of weeks back on a radio 2 programme that ethan is heavily steeped in country music and that his father, i think, some relative at any rate, is some famous artist. he's an interesting guy to find out about so thanks for the links razz - karma. i hadn't really realised or perhaps taken note before on the influence of their producers on their records, which is thinking about it, another reason why i like this latest album, simply cause it presents them in a different light, which i find really pretty .. uh, cool! and in that sense another reason why i love ethan's work cause -and now i'm confused where angelo fits into this whole thing- you didn't notice before, cause it fit, due to a different working/production style i guess and maybe that's what i'm trying to spit out, i simply prefer ethan's style when working with the kings over jacquires. now, i'm curious to go google what else jacquire has produced. he was an excellent choice for the album, i'm glad it's out there, i'm curious where they are gonna go next with their sound, i hope they don't just jump back to what they were doing before, which i don't see happening to be honest, for they seem to have, the L word again, learnt something new and it would make them look pretty bad and they seem to be far too smart than to make a move like that, which would in effect, surely, be shooting themselves in the foot? and now i have finished you may continue once yv skipped thru the next 3 pages in which this post has taken up hahahaaa  |
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Post by handsintheair on Apr 4, 2009 12:49:55 GMT
Interesting thread ...
Don't know about the country music connection, but pretty sure he's the son of famed producer Glyn Johns who did all the classic Rolling Stones albums.
Maybe i'm reading too much into this, but all the interviews i've seen suggest the guys felt Ethan was too controlling in the studio. And that working w/ Jacquire this time gave them the chance to finally experiment and have their opinions heard.
That's not to say Ethan Johns isn't talented, but his ideas of what a record should sound like don't fit w/ KOL's ideas. Not anymore anyway. Can't see them working with him in the future ...
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Post by whiskers on Apr 4, 2009 13:02:48 GMT
wow. really? actually now you mention i kinda remember something like that being said. uhm interesting. i really should read more interviews! :/ dunno what to say now about him being more controlling, maybe ethan has a vision for them and he wanted to explore that and bring it to it's full fruition. uhmmm obtn is sooo fascinating! on so many levels. bott did feel like the closing of a chapter, it did feel like it wanted to wander off, like softly nudging the air of something/somewhere/a new direction with it's nose. i can't see how ethan would have taken them there, if he's got this clear vision of them, it was a sensible choice for them to break outta their comfort zone, or not so comfort zone anymore as the case may be. anyway i gta go. |
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Post by jeffica on Apr 10, 2009 23:24:59 GMT
In an interview i have with caleb in a magazine (pretty bad article, this was the only interesting bit) he says "Ethan has more of a rootsy, organic sound and that's cool for a while, but we didn't want to spend our whole lives making someone else's idea of music". Which is a bit of an incredibly polite slap in the face. And just randomly, I read on google that ethan produced the last paolo nutini record... that's a bit of a downgrade isnt it?? (then again, anything is a downgrade compared to the kings in my opinion... ) |
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Post by Elly on Apr 11, 2009 4:12:05 GMT
ha! when i first saw this thread i thort it said elton john! lmfao!
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Post by whiskers on Apr 12, 2009 1:44:55 GMT
In an interview i have with caleb in a magazine (pretty bad article, this was the only interesting bit) he says "Ethan has more of a rootsy, organic sound and that's cool for a while, but we didn't want to spend our whole lives making someone else's idea of music". bleurghhh i'm such a genius! *rolls over drunk in ditch like -apparently in my mind - richard*. they're a brave, brave band, love them for it! they need to find the producer who can, what feel what they feel? follow them? i dunno what, just yes, anyway, they tell you, can you do it or not? love the kings and their big beautiful balls! you go boys! you'll prob' fck up sooner or later but yr fans will love it cause we'll feel where you are going. x can see them one day being shiny enough to produce themselves, yeah you can! ok, a little guidance perhaps, cause they're so free spirited may be difficult for them to direct it all, but they're learning all the time.and dnt follow no ones dream else yr own. and la la la i love you. just doing what yr doing kids, yr beautiful, talented, skilled, feel it, keep strong and brave, yr always be here for me x last bit i know, i did it on purpose    fcking do what you do! god i love you! thanks x x x x i'm listening to radiohead with a clearer sense...... hahaha u all have no idea! ......... thanks x all music with clearer sense! never let that go. only me i know. but oh hfhaofa it could go on |
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Apr 13, 2009 15:12:19 GMT
Yeah from interviews it seemed that the Kings were feeling a little bit constrained by Ethan's influence in the studio. They've made a few references to the fact that they're older now and know what they want, "Jared's not a little 15 year old kid anymore" etc etc. Sounds like they felt they needed to prove themselves a little.
I also read an interview somewhere where Ethan mentioned that Angelo has quite a brotherly, easygoing attitude in the studio and would put up with a lot of stuff that he (Ethan) wouldn't. Can't remember the exact quote now, but the impression I got was that Ethan couldn't be arsed dealing with all the drinking and inter-band bickering that came with recording with KOL.
Personally I prefer Ethan's production style to the production on OBTN. I love the records he produced with Ryan Adams, Rufus Wainwright & Ray LaMontagne. They definitely are more 'rootsy & organic' and KOL wanted to move away from that. But I think Because Of The Times sounds HUGE and spacey and a lot harder than OBTN. It has more focus on the guitars and Jared's bass than on Caleb's voice. But I'm sure great production is really depended on the relationship between band & producer, and it seems this relationship had run its course and they needed a change.
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