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Post by Laura on Oct 12, 2008 17:24:11 GMT
I would like to know what Matt thinks, he strikes me as a reasonable person, maybe it's Obama  Their election is crazy long, but i'm not complaining personally, because the daily show always has hilarious stuff on it  |
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Post by schnucams on Oct 12, 2008 19:32:38 GMT
Whats the daily show???
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Oct 12, 2008 19:35:20 GMT
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Post by Laura on Oct 12, 2008 19:37:46 GMT
aww you beat me to it she's right, he is so fucking funny!!! I'm in stitches every single time i watch it! |
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Post by schnucams on Oct 12, 2008 19:37:49 GMT
Cool thanx! Ill have a look at that, my internet connection is being seriously annoying at the mo so ill look later  |
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Post by sofarfromhome on Oct 14, 2008 3:28:59 GMT
OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA- CHANGE~~~PROGRESS''''''OBAMA!!!!!!
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Post by chairlover on Oct 16, 2008 13:59:17 GMT
I'm not a McCain fan, but I'd vote for him before I'd vote for Obama. At least McCain has experience and says what he's planning on ACTUALLY doing..Obama is all fluff and air and talk. He always talks about change but never gives any clear explanations on how he plans on bringing it. He knows that saying the words "change" and "hope" every time he opens his mouth will win him over a lot of uneducated closed minded voters, because noone wants another Bush. I know I'm probably in the minority here (in this forum), but I fear for our country if he is elected (actually, I fear for our country regardless of who wins, but more so if he does!). All he'll bring us is more taxes and a bigger shove towards Socialism. That being said, I do like him as a person. He's charismatic & cute & likeable, lol
p.s.Not saying all Obama supporters are "uneducated and closed minded" voters...just saying he's managed to sucker in a lot of people who don't know know much about politics and are just wanting someone that doesn't remind them of Bush.
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Post by rogue on Oct 27, 2008 15:33:36 GMT
Sorry, this is my first post and it's not about KOL, and please keep in mind that I'm an Australian and cannot vote in the US federal election. I usually just prefer to lurk when I'm procrastinating etc. but this thread has galvanised me to respond. I don't mean to fuel a debate, but simply, what is wrong with Democratic Socialism anyway? It's not Communism as is constantly implied. We've seen it work effectively in some European countries who have some of the best levels of education in the world, notwithstanding a higher quality of health and welfare systems. Sweden is a perfect example of Socialism. That being said, Obama has certainly never publicly espoused views to create a distinct social welfare State. However, with Bush's 700 billion dollar Wall St. rescue package, one wonders why McCain is so concerned about accusing Obama of allegedly wanting more State involvement, when his own party leader is conflicting with ideologies himself (the bail out rescue package). Why is the US government currently trying to bail out the corporations when they claim to be staunch Republicans? It's hypocrisy at its finest.
Nevertheless, Obama has proposed tax cuts and not tax increases. To be honest, neither McCain nor Obama will find it easy to deliver on these tax cut campaign promises given the fact that George Bush has put the US at a half trillion dollar deficit (and pretty much helped to screw up the global economy too). What Obama can do is begin to pull troops out of the ridiculous Iraq War/invastion - which is costing the US about 10 billion dollars a month and has killed thousands of innocent people) - this reduction in war spending would help to offset the downturn. Even Joe The Plumber would receive tax cuts under Obama's tax proposal - if Joe has bothered to understand the proposal put forth - given that income from small business owners earning between 250K to 1 million are eligible for a tax reduction (as well as the 250K earners and below). The Republicans want to keep the war/invasion going...which is absurd to say the least, and is only going to inflate the deficit.
If anything, Obama has been more transparent about his proposals/campaign promises then McCain. McCain has engaged himself in an ugly smear campaign, with a ridiculous focus (robocalls anyone) on trying to link Obama to My Ayers (of whom he met when he was just eight years old...EIGHT Years of age!).
The selection of Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate has been the joke of the century. She couldn't answer what the role of a VP is (clearly never having read the US Constitution), her series of interviews with Katie Couric were a public relations disaster...the woman can't string a sentence together when left to her own devices. There is a reason why the campaign put a media ban on Palin...she was embarrassing McCain. She stated she would never second guess Israel attacking their neighbours - undermining the autonomy of the US (which needless to say, shocked Couric). She didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was, she wants to keep the Iraq war going (linking it to Sept 11 in the debates...Iraq had nothing to do with Sept. 11, therefore fueling the mythical justification of US troops in Iraq), she could not name *one* Surpreme Court case she didn't approve of and kept referring back to Couric's reference to Roe Vs Wade which she also denounced. (Personally I can think of one...the 2000 Supreme Court case that unjustly gave Bush victory over Gore). She claims people who blow up abortion clinics are not terrorists and that abortion should be illegal even if the woman was raped or the baby was born out of incest, she's also against the morning after pill, she was for the 'Bridge to Nowhere' in Alaska then against it once Capitol Hill threw their weight in, her husband is a secessionist against the US (which the media curiously hasn't focussed on) etc. etc. The woman is a danger and Jim Cafferty on CNN put it best when stated: 'this woman is a 72 year old man's heartbeat away from the Presidency and if that doesn't scare you, I don't know what will'. I don't know why he chose Palin as his running mate when she is clearly unqualified to be a public servant in a council let along a VP. I didn't think there was anyone dumber than Bush...but I was wrong. Sarah Palin is a loose cannon and Obama and Biden run rings around her in an intellectual capacity.
I am most impressed with Obama. He rose to prominence the hard way and was not the product of nepotism (McCain) and never relied on his daddy to buy him an education and cover for some of his fatal errors (McCain). Obama was the first Black man to be elected as President of the Harvard Law Review which is an incredible achievement. Read the Rolling Stone article on McCain to get a nice insight into his upbringing. I'm sorry I've gone on a rant but it really irks me when people try to insinuate that Democratic voters are ill-informed when it couldn't be further from the truth. It's the Republican Campaign that has tried to divert the attention of voters from serious campaign issues through silly smear campaigns/character assassinations via allegations of terrorism and Socialism. The Democrats have mainly stayed on a clean path.
I know I sound like a pretentious twat writing about politics but this needed to be said.
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Oct 27, 2008 15:43:52 GMT
I haven't let my mouth run loose on US politics on this forum because, basically, I'd never stop once I started! But I'm with ya all the way on your post, Rogue Also, re. democratic socialism - it seems a lot of Americans seem to equate socialism with communism, and I find that puzzling in 2008. I'd be interested to know know why a push towards socialism would be so troubling for you, Chairlover? Is it just the threat of increased taxes? |
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Post by rogue on Oct 27, 2008 15:50:33 GMT
Bornagirl76, I don't know what's wrong with me lol. I just went stupid and released all I was thinking in one go and it's now 2:45 AM in Australia! I planned to have an early night...well that's out the window now hehe. I usually refrain from these topics because like you, I don't know when to stop but for some reason I had to let loose and go nuts.
As you can imagine, we're watching these elections closely from Australia (well that is, if you read the newspapers/watch the news) but people don't realise that these elections would ultimately affect people around the world, especially in terms of belligerent foreign policy and the economy. R.I.P Aussie dollar!
Anyhoo, I really need to shut up hehe.
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Oct 27, 2008 16:03:31 GMT
Yeah I've mainly been restricting my posts to taking the piss out of the Republican party and Sarah Palin...but I think that's mainly just because if I don't laugh, I'll cry! As you say, it's a serious matter for everyone, regardless of whether we're American or not (I'm not).
A positive point is that Americans in general seem to be slightly more aware of the fact that the outside world thinks their president is a dangerous imbecile, and that voting him in the second time was a shameful act. That's something they (again I'm generalising wildly!) didn't seem to realise back in 2004. Hopefully the majority of Americans' pride will force them out to vote for Obama to restore a little of the world's respect for the US (as well as to maintain their own self-respect, of course!).
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Post by rogue on Oct 27, 2008 16:31:54 GMT
Yeah I've mainly been restricting my posts to taking the piss out of the Republican party and Sarah Palin...but I think that's mainly just because if I don't laugh, I'll cry! As you say, it's a serious matter for everyone, regardless of whether we're American or not (I'm not). A positive point is that Americans in general seem to be slightly more aware of the fact that the outside world thinks their president is a dangerous imbecile, and that voting him in the second time was a shameful act. That's something they (again I'm generalising wildly!) didn't seem to realise back in 2004. Hopefully the majority of Americans' pride will force them out to vote for Obama to restore a little of the world's respect for the US (as well as to maintain their own self-respect, of course!). At this stage, Obama is in front but it's frightening to recollect, John Kerry was also in front by a considerable margin in the last election at this stage and still lost. I think the deciding factor will be the influence of the 'racist vote'. No-one knows what impact the racist movement will have, especially since you cannot gauge what effect it's having on the day...unless you exit poll/ask people whether they voted for McCain purely because they're racist lol (me thinks not many people will be open about their racial preferences hehe). Sarah Palin is just...good God! She's good at memorising speeches but little else. I think it's funny to hear people calling her detractors 'sexist'. I think it's sexist to vote for Palin based on her gender, I mean the whole 'Women's Movement' was fundamentally based on women not wanting to be judged by their gender, so to vote for Palin just because she's a woman is sexist in itself. Anyhoo, she's as dumb as batshit too but that's only a minor problem when it comes to choosing Presidents/Vice Presidents...Dubya anyone? lol. Then again, the VP doesn't have to do much, do they? Well Cheney hasn't done much in the past eight years besides starting wars and "accidentally" shooting people in hunting "accidents"...hmmm, though come to think of it Palin can really shoot some moose so maybe she *is* fit for the role? Either way, I'd prefer to see Tina Fey in office hehe. |
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Post by rogue on Oct 27, 2008 16:39:50 GMT
Yeah I've mainly been restricting my posts to taking the piss out of the Republican party and Sarah Palin...but I think that's mainly just because if I don't laugh, I'll cry! As you say, it's a serious matter for everyone, regardless of whether we're American or not (I'm not). A positive point is that Americans in general seem to be slightly more aware of the fact that the outside world thinks their president is a dangerous imbecile, and that voting him in the second time was a shameful act. That's something they (again I'm generalising wildly!) didn't seem to realise back in 2004. Hopefully the majority of Americans' pride will force them out to vote for Obama to restore a little of the world's respect for the US (as well as to maintain their own self-respect, of course!). At this stage, Obama is in front but it's frightening to recollect, John Kerry was also in front by a considerable margin in the last election at this stage and still lost. I think the deciding factor will be the influence of the 'racist vote'. No-one knows what impact the racist movement will have, especially since you cannot gauge what effect it's having on the day...unless you exit poll/ask people whether they voted for McCain purely because they're racist lol (me thinks not many people will be open about their racial preferences hehe). Sarah Palin is just...good God! She's good at memorising speeches but little else. I think it's funny to hear people calling her detractors 'sexist'. I think it's sexist to vote for Palin based on her gender, I mean the whole 'Women's Movement' was fundamentally based on women not wanting to be judged by their gender, so to vote for Palin via McCain just because she's a woman is sexist in itself in my opinion. Anyhoo, she's as dumb as batshit too but that's only a minor problem when it comes to choosing Presidents/Vice Presidents...Dubya anyone? lol. Then again, the VP doesn't have to do much, do they? Well Cheney hasn't done much in the past eight years besides starting wars and "accidentally" shooting people in hunting "accidents"...hmmm, though come to think of it Palin can really shoot some moose so maybe she *is* fit for the role? Either way, I'd prefer to see Tina Fey in office hehe. |
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Oct 27, 2008 17:05:40 GMT
Those Tina Fey skits on SNL are hilarious!
I agree with you that it is not automatically sexist not to vote for Palin. She lacks enough assets without numbskull detractors having to resort to her gender!!! Having said that, I have absolutely no doubt that gender plays a role in the acceptability of candidates for the US presidency. America may be ready for a black, male president, but a woman? Now that would be revolutionary!
However, I think it's inherently anti-feminist to vote for McCain/Palin. Both want to revoke hard-won rights for women, such as access to abortion, contraception and sex education. McCain has stated he would be in favour of overturning Roe vs Wade. 'Nuff said.
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Post by chichi on Oct 27, 2008 17:17:54 GMT
VOTE FOR MOOKIE!
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Post by AccuratePassion on Oct 28, 2008 0:20:31 GMT
The first thing Jared said when I spoke to him was "I'm all for change!" He noticed my Obama/Biden pin. We talked briefly about it. I won't go into specifics but I do believe that all 4 of them are Obama supporters based off what he said.
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Post by rogue on Oct 28, 2008 5:43:08 GMT
Those Tina Fey skits on SNL are hilarious! I agree with you that it is not automatically sexist not to vote for Palin. She lacks enough assets without numbskull detractors having to resort to her gender!!! Having said that, I have absolutely no doubt that gender plays a role in the acceptability of candidates for the US presidency. America may be ready for a black, male president, but a woman? Now that would be revolutionary! However, I think it's inherently anti-feminist to vote for McCain/Palin. Both want to revoke hard-won rights for women, such as access to abortion, contraception and sex education. McCain has stated he would be in favour of overturning Roe vs Wade. 'Nuff said. I love Tina Fey...she's my hero! Not only does she make a great Tina Fey-lin/Palin but she was a head writer on SNL before 30 Rock, and she wrote Mean Girls. Le sigh. What a legend. Here's an interesting aside: if you read the book Freakonomics (I know I'm now bravely flaunting my inner-geek), they [the writers] attribute the dramatic fall in crime in the US to the Roe Vs Wade decision, linking it to the fact that many couples who could not afford to raise a child and give it a higher quality of life, education etc. were choosing to abort instead, thus preventing a supposed imminent life of crime for the little bub. I don't know if I agree with that entirely but it's an interesting little tid bit and gives food for thought. I can see a woman eventually making it to the White House. So many other countries have chosen a female leader (England, Pakistan, New Zealand etc.) so I don't think it'd be such a stretch for people to accept. Not to mention, if Obama gets elected, it will inevitably make it marginally easier for any suppressed/minority groups obtaining office, including Women. I think Hillary has a good chance of making it to the top if she runs for office again - and I'm confident she will - but I think she made some serious blunders in judgement and fought a dirty campaign against Obama. Personally, I had some issues with Hillary selling out on her health reforms. What Obama can also accomplish is a greater sense of dignity for African communities all over the world. Unfortunately, through my travels, I have seen a lot of racist remarks being thrown at people with darker skin and there are even beauty products for women to make them look fairer and "more beautiful" (I bought one by L'oreal as a joke for my friend because I couldn't believe a major corporation was cashing in on this shit). I think Obama would inject a much needed dose of respectability for the worldwide African/dark skinned communities, especially in some of the world's developing nations. Palin is just another man in a skirt. She talks about war mongering like it's the greatest orgy on Earth. And her foreign policy experience encompasses so much breadth and knowledge...Russia is her neighbour (what the Phuket Thailand was she thinking!). She didn't even bother obtaining a passport till recently. How can anyone meddle in the world's affairs and when their knowledge of the world probably stems from watching The Amazing Race. As for KoL, I know that Jared, Caleb and Nathan are supporting Obama. Nathan apparently even has a Barrack & Roll t-shirt (which he mentioned in an interview). I'm not sure about Matthew but I'd be guessing he's in the same boat. |
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Post by csolis on Oct 28, 2008 7:26:35 GMT
u know i was going to give the link a chance and have an open mind about it, but u give me HANNITY'S AMERICA?  FOX NEWS CHANNEL? ::)come on man! im not gonna smite u, but COME ON!! it's like if i were to give u a link about bad stuff about McCain and give u a link to CNN or MSNBC! if u can find a credible/ non- partisan source about Obama i will totally have a look at it. |
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Post by csolis on Oct 28, 2008 7:52:15 GMT
Well, I wouldnt be able to fin that on any other station because there is none. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hannity. The liberal networks give their side, while te conservative network gives its side. That's sadly how it works these days. CNN or MSNBC are never going to tell you these things. Did I mention what Hannity had to say was based on FACTS? FACTS, not theories. I have no negative feelings about you or your opinion, but if you haven't even watched it, how can you really say anything about it? I doubt you're ignorant, but that seems like ignorance. The truth is, these facts could be just as easily stated on CNN or MSNBC....and if thy were you'd give it a chance, right? actually i am watching them right now and my reaction is still the same. I just finished "reason" #8 on why not to vote for Obama and so far have found them ridiculous. Seriously you think Joe Biden is bad, what about Palin who is a JOKE!! and to top it off isn't loyal to McCain! and the reason why i Hannity does not make a difference is because he is obviously a republican. Now if i were to tell u " oh McCain would be a president because of these reason..." and i were to give u a CNN clip "a liberal media outlet", would u believe it? |
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Post by McFatless on Oct 28, 2008 8:03:09 GMT
Even if you hold your opinion, I'm glad you gave it a chance.
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FOX NEWS CHANNEL?