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Post by sunshowers on Jun 23, 2008 3:57:34 GMT
According to Rolling Stone "Crawl" is a political song. (and Sean Penn would like it.) The only lyrics I can really make out are "You better let it crawl/ Crawl away"
My guess is it's about Iraq. (It's the most obvious choice.) Either way I'm pretty glad they're making songs about something other than girls and sex. And hey, it's coming out just in time for campaign season.
If anyone has any idea of what the other lyrics are, or any other message, could you post them here? Thanks
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Post by newtonab on Jun 23, 2008 8:13:56 GMT
On that note...
If Obama wins, America's done.
FYI, I used to think Obama was the best candidate. A friend pointed out some quotes from a book he wrote before running. One of the quotes were along the lines of "I will side with the Muslims if the political tides shift...." I believe he said in such and such manner, but just that line alone is pretty bad. He also "found solace in despising his mother's race". (His mother is white)
He's voted "Present" over 100 times in the Senate when asked a Yes or No question. Weird.... is he just trying to get by?
and last but not least, if America pulls out of the Middle East, then of course we're done. Remember WWI and Germany? (except this time the 'enemy' is raised to kill Americans)
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Post by guests on Jun 23, 2008 13:44:09 GMT
^^I'm unsure about Obama too. I think he could either be the best thing to ever happen to the USA, or the absolute worst - I'm not sure which. And I think you and I are the only two people on here who think it's absolutely necessary to have some sort of permanent military presence in the Middle East so we can keep an eye on what's going on.
Prepare for the smiting onslaught to begin LateNightMorning!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2008 19:03:41 GMT
I really wish I was more in the know about this whole thing going on in America at the moment. I keep hearing about it but don't really have a clue what's going on. Would anyone like to briefly summarise it for me?  |
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Post by newtonab on Jun 23, 2008 23:49:01 GMT
Haha, right on Rodriguez! I would think it's obvious we need to stay over there, but most people feel we shouldn't have gone in the first place, and they want so bad to fix it that they aren't thinking about what we've done (whether it be good or bad) and taking care of it.
lol, I won't believe it till I see it, but the Mayans predicted that the world would "fall from within" around year 2011, 2012. If Obama is president, 2012 is the beginning of his second term.
I think Obama could be great as well, but I think he could be even worse.
There are so many things wrong wit the system, but a lot of pepe get heated when talking about it. Feel free to say whatever, anyone! Never hurts to know more
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Post by lauralimonada on Jun 24, 2008 0:03:45 GMT
wow i'm not even gonna get into how much i disagree with the opinions here.
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Post by appleshaker on Jun 24, 2008 0:41:22 GMT
well i hope crawl is the only political song on the album. you can't get away from politics nowadays it gets boring. I 100% would prefer to lay back and listening to storys about tranis, painting my body red and brown, wanting in like a substitute, how time on me is wasted time, walking in velvet snow, how this girl stole my karma then sold it to a farmer, how its my show, how i used to see you everyday, used to see you everyday, about how i'll be the one to show you the way and storys about girls not being able to drink "milk"  rather than hear about iraq, music for me is to get away from the constant bs on the tv, papers and radio. |
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Post by newtonab on Jun 24, 2008 1:56:33 GMT
I used to be the same way, but this country is going down if we don't do something. I was watching O'Reilly earlier and they were commenting on the way McCain was smiling. Sure he looked like an a**, but it's completely beside the point and in a way..superficial. (that's part of the system) wow i'm not even gonna get into how much i disagree with the opinions here. why not, we're all friends here....i mean strangers. No really, don't you think it's good to discuss it? by all means, let me in on what you know.. |
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Post by guests on Jun 24, 2008 13:23:50 GMT
Maybe Caleb was being sarcastic when he made that Sean Penn comment...who knows? I guess we'll find out their political views when all the interviews start. At least now journalists will have different questions to ask rather than the same old boring questions about their upbringing!
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Post by guests on Jun 24, 2008 13:34:06 GMT
wow i'm not even gonna get into how much i disagree with the opinions here. You should get into it Laura...it would make this message board more interesting! My friends and I disagree all the time on politics - but we're still friends. I like hearing other people's opinions. I don't always agree, but it helps me look at things from a different perspective. |
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Post by lauralimonada on Jun 24, 2008 15:52:33 GMT
wow i'm not even gonna get into how much i disagree with the opinions here. You should get into it Laura...it would make this message board more interesting! My friends and I disagree all the time on politics - but we're still friends. I like hearing other people's opinions. I don't always agree, but it helps me look at things from a different perspective. OK OK I'll get into it heeeheee The comment(s) that really bother me regarding Obama is that he's on the side of "the terrorists." The Muslim/Arab communities are being targeted and stereotyped in general as being "the bad guys." If Obama said he sides with the people of Iraq it's because the population of Iraq as a whole IS NOT terrorist people. People deserve to live and the U.S. government is slaughtering a population of people fighting for their lives! And I also understand Obama's statement about "white people." I'm brown, Mexican, Latina, Hispanic...whatever you wanna call me. And I've experienced racism from white people on many occassions. It really makes you wonder...is racism really over? Did it really end with the Civil Rights Movement? NO! People don't understand, this country is run by white people, everyday is "white day." When someone says something that goes against that EVERYONE freaks out. Of course, because they don't wanna give up the power. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a die-hard Obama fan, I'm a skeptic of his policies but for different reasons. But if he's questioning the status quo, I respect him. I hope I didn't get too controversial.  |
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Post by therunner on Jun 24, 2008 16:32:42 GMT
OK OK I'll get into it heeeheee The comment(s) that really bother me regarding Obama is that he's on the side of "the terrorists." The Muslim/Arab communities are being targeted and stereotyped in general as being "the bad guys." If Obama said he sides with the people of Iraq it's because the population of Iraq as a whole IS NOT terrorist people. People deserve to live and the U.S. government is slaughtering a population of people fighting for their lives! And I also understand Obama's statement about "white people." I'm brown, Mexican, Latina, Hispanic...whatever you wanna call me. And I've experienced racism from white people on many occassions. It really makes you wonder...is racism really over? Did it really end with the Civil Rights Movement? NO! People don't understand, this country is run by white people, everyday is "white day." When someone says something that goes against that EVERYONE freaks out. Of course, because they don't wanna give up the power. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a die-hard Obama fan, I'm a skeptic of his policies but for different reasons. But if he's questioning the status quo, I respect him. I hope I didn't get too controversial. Here here Laura! *Applauds* |
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Post by benief on Jun 24, 2008 16:58:18 GMT
Maybe Caleb was being sarcastic when he made that Sean Penn comment...who knows? I guess we'll find out their political views when all the interviews start. At least now journalists will have different questions to ask rather than the same old boring questions about their upbringing! the king's comment regarding Sean Penn was obviously just a joke the song may be anti war or something.... but one should not look into any affiliation with Sean Penn's beliefs in any great detail. |
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Post by sunshowers on Jun 24, 2008 22:23:38 GMT
In the NME interview they expanded on the political thing. It's about the whole "Fall of the Roman Empire" American-style. I guess they've had a couple of Europeans bawk at them just for being American too.  I think it has less to do with Iraq and more to do with how Bush is a complete idiot and "crucified" America by making us weak. I think that's something most people can agree on. |
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Post by newtonab on Jun 25, 2008 3:24:41 GMT
Good point, Laura. I don't like "white america", but I don't want a president who despises any race....at all. He basically stereotyped all white people when he said that. I wouldn't think I'm like the white people he was describing (I know I'm not), but at the same time, we don't know what he meant. We could interpret that statement several different ways, but would you like me at all if I said I find solace in despising black people?
and Why side with Muslims when he should be siding with everyone? We're all people....should there be any sides at all? Of course not everyone is going to be happy with every decision, but when it comes down to helping the human race (which all leaders should be doing) no one should look at it like that. I'm for Brown people, White people, Black people, Smart people, Stupid People, etc..
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Jun 25, 2008 11:21:00 GMT
Good point, Laura. I don't like "white america", but I don't want a president who despises any race....at all. He basically stereotyped all white people when he said that. I wouldn't think I'm like the white people he was describing (I know I'm not), but at the same time, we don't know what he meant. We could interpret that statement several different ways, but would you like me at all if I said I find solace in despising black people? The words you quoted (about him finding solace in despising his mother's race) are not Obama's words. The quote I presume you're referring to is "_found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against _mother's race." It has been presented as a direct quote from Obama's autobiography, Dreams Of My Father. Actually the quote is by Steve Sailor in his review of Obama's book for the American Conservative. It didn't take long for someone to twist the truth and present it as Obama's words. It seems people were willing to just take it as fact when a quick Google (or - god forbid - actually reading the book in question!  ) would have revealed the truth. It just shows how willing Obama's opposition is to spread fear and race hatred. All is not what it seems |
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Post by inhiding on Jun 25, 2008 11:48:07 GMT
ok, sorry, but i cant keep my mouth shut..
and im saying this as an outsider. but the US did not get involved in iraq because of 9.11. there were no links between osama's mob and saddam. ridiculous.. saddam was already a spent force. and if he was still a force why did they wait until after 9.11. they are two different issues. the US tends to think that the whole world is out to get em. the only countries that give a shit about the US are the ones that have been affected by their ridiculous foriegn policies. iraq is about oil. plain and simple. and the fact that bush wanted to go in and fix up his dad's mistkes...no WOMD's people non. and when the caught him he was a scared old git hiding in a hole... not exactly terrifying. now if u r gonna throw all the human rights violations that saddam committed at me dont bother. if the US gov gave a shit about human rights they would have stepped in to defend tibet in the 60's and rwanda in the 90's, the list goes on..... they use the human rights excuse as a means for financial gain, defending their own interests and expanding their 'world power.' leave everyone else alone (eg palestine and israel) and the worls will leave u alone. easy.
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Jun 25, 2008 12:03:38 GMT
^^ oh god, surely there isn't anyone out there who STILL thinks that the U.S. got involved in Iraq because of 9/11??! (actually, don't answer that - it'll depress me  ). As Sunshowers said, I'm sure everyone can at least agree that Bush is an idiot and has ruined America's standing internationally. As for whether or not the U.S. should pull out of the Middle East....well, they shouldn't have gone there in the way that they did, but pulling out completely now will fuck things up further. They've made a mess, they need to find a way to clean it up as best as possible before withdrawing. On that note... and last but not least, if America pulls out of the Middle East, then of course we're done. Remember WWI and Germany? (except this time the 'enemy' is raised to kill Americans) I'm not sure what you mean by this. How does American's war in Iraq/Afghanistan compare to their involvement in WW1? To my mind a much more useful comparison is their war against Viet Nam. |
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Post by anners on Jun 25, 2008 13:43:17 GMT
i think if the US really cares about human rights [actually, any country for that matter not just the US], they would go into zimbabwe! someone needs to get in their and sort out the mugabe situation, but no-one will because theirs nothing in it for them, no oil or anything, no one will go because its such a poor nation with limited resources.
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Jun 25, 2008 14:15:43 GMT
That's very true - intervention should have happened a long time ago, but humanitarian gain is rarely as good an incentive as monetary gain . Now it's so late that unfortunately international intervention is pretty much impossible unless the African nations - and particularly South Africa - take a stand against Mugabe. SA has been tacitly condoning his dictatorship until now, but they're finally distancing themselves from him. More and more African nations are taking a stand by the day (Botswana, Gambia, Angola). Until they say 'enough is enough' there isn't much the rest of the world can do. The UK is painted as the 'devil' by Mugabe - his election campaign included a TV add that features pictures of Bush, Blair, Brown and then his opponent Tsvangirai with the caption "All losers". |
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