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Post by ncox10021 on Sept 20, 2008 13:13:52 GMT
O'Dusty - from what I can piece together - I'm sure there are many more that can elaborate on it more than me, but.........
As I remember, Buck put O'Dusty together and ran the website as a fansite with all these great pictures, videos, etc. and NEVER got a thank you from the band. Except she did say that Jared would email her, but the rest never recognized her efforts and her work at O'Dusty took a lot of time, etc. And I just remember she was very bitter about the whole thing and shut it down because the band were jerks to her.
Anyone care to elaborate? Bornagirl? I think she knows a little more than I do. But I do believe that is the story in a nutshell.
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Post by Elle on Sept 20, 2008 13:24:34 GMT
i hate that everyone knows them now ...... i prefered it when nobody knew them and they were the best kept secret i hate sharing!!  Hehe! Completely agree!! |
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Post by mrsbrightside on Sept 20, 2008 13:51:19 GMT
I agree with pretty much everything everyone is saying on here, ive loved the boys since 2003 and was always annoyed that people wouldnt give them the recognition they deserved, the media i.e radio didnt really touch them but now they are getting this recognition im kinda like nooo, but with the success does come more promotion, interviews etc but i think even watching them in interviews lately they are becoming pretty fed up with it, i think you can confuse that with arrogance but ive never felt KOl are 100% happy with that side of fame they'd rather just get their music out there. I still read everything about them and watch the interviews, i dont hate it, i just hate the people interviewing them as i find them very fake. I will always think they are one of the best bands of our generation, and while i do like OBTN i in no way think it is their best work, they could have done with another couple of rocking tunes in there but i suspect they may leave that for album no.5!  |
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Post by double on Sept 20, 2008 23:53:26 GMT
I touched upon it in the thread I entitled "Sellouts" but a big point I missed was something you have pointed out. The Artist and the Art. For music to be real it has to be a representation of the character that is making it, in my opinion. That means it's written about their own experiences and dreams and not what they think "people want to hear". It's why even though I hate rap, I think Kanye West is fantastic. We all know the story of where they came from so we can understand how their music got that raw country sound with heavy blues influence. Now, just like any band that has done well for themselves, they have made money, toured for the last 5 years and experienced a very different life to what they were obviously used to. Yet we still expect them to be singing about the life they were living 5 years ago? It happens to every band and is unavoidable to an extent but the fact is, Caleb is still writing from the heart, his thoughts, his experiences and his dreams still make up the lyrics. Not what he has been told he should write about. Nathen is a more accomplished drummer, Jared is definately a more accomplished bassist and Matt now has the confidence to pull off some brilliant solo's and his riffs are definately getting stronger aswell. Youth and Young manhood was incredible, it was raw and it packed a punch. Everyone said "these guys could be the future of Rock and Roll". I'm sure you said it, so why be annoyed that your prophecy is coming true? about that, did you read the spin article? caleb said he doesn't write about his own experiences anymore, he writes about what he sees or other people experience...i don't remember the exact words he used. regardless, my complaint was never the writing lyrically...or the music. i'm a music purist. i have yet to hear any track other than sex on fire, and i only listened to that AFTER it was released as a single. i never saw the appeal in youtubing live performances of new songs before they're released because they always sound different than the final cut. but all this is beside the point, lol. also. Holly Golightly, i think you hit a soft spot when you brought up youth and young manhood. i really do think i'm scared i'll lose the band i fell in love with. i fully realize that with each new album, there is a new chance to fall in love all over again. that being said, well. idk...i feel like although that's said, there's some unexplainable thing being left unsaid that i can't well, say...because i don't know what it is exactly. but it's there. now i sound retarded again. |
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Post by Jigglytuffy™ on Sept 21, 2008 3:01:34 GMT
I'm scared that you guys are scared. That's the scary part in all of this.  Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't think this is a big deal and that people are taking things much too seriously. What fun is music, or the band, when posts/threads all end up being "sell outs" "image" "etc"? I don't know, really. That kinda disturbs me, that you guys (just speaking in general, not at anyone personally) are all posting these sorts of things, not that there's anything wrong with it, but I really do feel like the only one who doesn't care. I mean, I don't know them personally, have no contact with them. I guess for some fans, success is a double-edge sword.  Jasmine is all for the big, new sound. More power to 'em. And I have the strangest feeling, someone will take offense to this, what I just wrote here. |
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Post by elle24 on Sept 21, 2008 9:32:51 GMT
i think for me i'm most "concerned" about the change of sound. Y&YM is my favorite album from them and the difference b/w that album to the OBTN is discernible. i completely understand how it's pretty much a given that an artist will change their sound through the years (prime example for me: Coldplay...from Parachutes to Viva la Vida). i've sampled OBTN and it is definitely not the southern nitty gritty rock i fell in love with (huge difference between let's say Dusty to Use Somebody). however, it's not like i hate their new album from what i've heard of it so far...for me it's just so different that i can't seem to compare it from their earlier work! but i can say that Crawl is on repeat in my head.
and as for the interviews and that sort...i don't actually read up on them, especially album/concert reviews. i just realized that i don't do that for a lot of artists that i love b/c i like to make my own judgments about the music and not have it be possibly altered by a review. but i am watching the home videos just because i think they're hilarious and they remind me so much of my friends, it's uncanny.
by the way, cool thread. karma for that double
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Post by ILoveTheRazzleKid on Sept 21, 2008 10:58:28 GMT
i think for me i'm most "concerned" about the change of sound. Y&YM is my favorite album from them and the difference b/w that album to the OBTN is discernible. i completely understand how it's pretty much a given that an artist will change their sound through the years (prime example for me: Coldplay...from Parachutes to Viva la Vida). i've sampled OBTN and it is definitely not the southern nitty gritty rock i fell in love with (huge difference between let's say Dusty to Use Somebody). however, it's not like i hate their new album from what i've heard of it so far...for me it's just so different that i can't seem to compare it from their earlier work! but i can say that Crawl is on repeat in my head. and as for the interviews and that sort...i don't actually read up on them, especially album/concert reviews. i just realized that i don't do that for a lot of artists that i love b/c i like to make my own judgments about the music and not have it be possibly altered by a review. but i am watching the home videos just because i think they're hilarious and they remind me so much of my friends, it's uncanny. by the way, cool thread. karma for that double Perfectly put. On a side note- can Bornagirl comment more on the o-dusty thing? Lovely jared ! |
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Sept 22, 2008 0:26:54 GMT
Hi Razzlekid - I saw your post in the 'Help!' thread so came on over, I haven't had time to read through this whole thread yet. I know it probably seemed like there was a whole load of drama when O Dusty! closed down but I promise that it wasn't due to anything terrible connected to the band or anything like that. The other mods and I were sad about how it ended because we really liked the site and had been running it in the months after Buck left. But at the end of the day O Dusty! was closed down for Buck's own personal reasons, so we didn't really want to go into specifics. She had put a huge amount of work into the site, and it began to feel like a thankless task to her. She started to get more and more pissed off with Kings Of Leon, and didn't want her site up there to promote them because even if she was no longer running it, she had created it. That's it - no great mystery!  As I remember, Buck put O'Dusty together and ran the website as a fansite with all these great pictures, videos, etc. and NEVER got a thank you from the band. Except she did say that Jared would email her, but the rest never recognized her efforts and her work at O'Dusty took a lot of time, etc. That's only half true - Jared was really appreciative, and Caleb thanked her once too. But the amount of messages that went unanswered outweighed the odd thank you. They weren't actually jerks to her - it was more what they didn't do as opposed to what they did do, if you know what I mean. The odd myspace message of thanks or acknowledgment from the other 3 members would have gone a long way for Buck, but it didn't happen and that pissed her off. That's it really - hope that helps clear it up!  |
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Post by lauralimonada on Sept 22, 2008 6:05:08 GMT
speaking of buck, i wonder if she's watched the daily home videos and if she has, i'd love to hear what she has to say.
to me, she will always be a voice of authority when it comes to KOL.
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Post by anners on Sept 22, 2008 6:40:35 GMT
^^ i get that from her too haha. even tho i have never talked to her i don't think, and only found o-dusty like 3 months before it closed, i see her as like.. i can't explain it, the keeper of KOL. haha
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Post by Bornagirl76 on Sept 22, 2008 9:21:04 GMT
Well, she hates 'em now, so she's no longer their keeper! I can imagine what she'd say about the home videos Laura...and it wouldn't be pretty!!! Buck has a mighty way with words |
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Post by double on Sept 22, 2008 17:37:16 GMT
i haven't even seen a single home video....crappo.
this is more serious than i thought, haha. also, i think buck is still a fan of the music. i mean i'd be shocked if the boys themselves tainted the music so much for her, she stopped listening...
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Post by schnucams on Sept 22, 2008 18:08:19 GMT
I find it really hard to seperate art from artist....an example at the moment U2, I had a lot of respect for them, well Bono and The Edge more precisely, until they decided to knock down listed buildings in Dublin city centre. Its completely unrelated to their music but I dont enjoy listening to it any more, even the old Joshua Tree stuff which I would have said was one of the best albums ever before.
My point? Not sure really but if I thought KOL were complete assholes I dont think I'd enjoy the music as much! Like a few people have said it'd be hard not to get caught up in the industry and try new things like SOF vid etc. but when I read interviews and see home movies I'm pretty much assured that they are four down to earth guys who are more than aware that they should make the most of their lives and opportunities right now, taking all the risks that entails!!
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Post by timgrw on Sept 22, 2008 23:11:41 GMT
ok. i don't want to cause any issues, but i'd really like to put this out there as a CIVIL and MATURE topic that we can all discuss without throwing around childish insults and unwarranted accusations at kol... with that being said: one thing i've always thrived myself on is my ability to separate an artist from their art. of course one can never do this completely because the two are so unconditionally intertwined, there are still certain boundaries that i prefer not to cross. things such as who the artist is dating, an asshole interview or two, maturing as they age, etcetc. but i find myself really sort of TERRIFIED to read new articles concerning kol or watch their latest videos because i feel like it's gone from art to well, idk. 'what will break through in america'. the music itself is still grand, and idk...i wish i could structure this so it comes off as somewhat coherent, but it's a touchy subject. k. here it goes, point blank. i'm not calling them sell outs. if anyone of you has read any one of my posts on the boards, you'd know how much i loathe that term. i'm also not bitching because they've changed; i understand fully that it's a necessity and a valuable and rare thing at that, for an artist to progress and mature from album to album and continue to thrive into something bigger and better as opposed to just something else. and i'm not complaining about their personalities or the fact that they wear designer jeans. what i'm worried about hasn't happened yet, but it plagues me none the less; how long before they let the pressure of progression, the stigma of selling out and the other shit that's thrown on them effect it all? was i the only one that couldn't watch the entire 'sex on fire' video? did NO ONE find it a little bit disheartening to see such blatantly shallow scenes? i know, i know...the whole song is called 'sex on fire', which makes this whole thread all the harder to put into words...which is why it's already so long as is. i guess what i want to know is, has anyone else reached a point where they avoid watching the videos, reading the articles and listening to the interviews completely because it's tainting the music?i'd love to hear why or why not so i can somewhat better interpret why i'm being such a twat about something that shouldn't be such a big deal. I am not quite 100 per cent sure what you mean to be honest. In my own humble opinion I don't think the band are becoming sell outs despite OBTN being the most commercial album to date. I only managed to get my hands on it today because I was out of the country and from what I've listened to so far, I don't think I am overly impressed. Put quite simply I think it lacks bite and that's so disappointing because I, like all of us here, have been looking forward to it for so long. However I think us lot (KOL fans) liked it better when we were almost part of an 'exclusive' club. The club that picked up YAYM five years ago and went "whoa what a new and refreshing sound." In know I certainly got a kick out of friends asking me who this Kings of Leon band was at the time! It might have taken others five years to realise how good KOL are and obviously that's down to the music but it is also down to a slick PR machine. I suppose we have to remember KOL are here to make money for a record company and the more exposure and the like pleases said company. I could be wrong but the fact that the band has released four albums in five years says an awful lot about the demands put on them by the record company. The designer clothers, model girlfriends and such are just part of the rock and roll lifestyle and I, like most of the posters, don't judge them for that or for that matter care who they are dating. Why would the lads go for a Nisssan when they can have a Rolls Royce, like so many bands before them. The Rolling Stones started out in the 60s as nobodies but now, if ever there was a band who creamed it, it was them and why not. They have the model girlfriends/wives, the designer clothes, the massive PR machine, rip off merchandise etc. However they have still managed to produce some awe inspiring music and some not so inspiring but that's the way the industry is. What I am saying here is the Stones could and infact were attacked for selling out years ago but it still hasn't taken away from them as a band because like KOL the music rises to the top. However our boys have a long way to go before they hit the same status as Jagger and Co (love them or loathe them!). So perhaps OBTN is aimed at cracking the US market and why not, why wouldn't a band want to get bigger and popular in their own county. With regard to the Sex on Fire video, welll it's only a video after all and it's something different from them. I hope this doesn't sound uncivil but if it does I don't mean it - just thought I add my opinions. |
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Post by groupielove on Sept 23, 2008 8:46:08 GMT
this doesnt really have much to do with the price of fish (ie the thread) but i would be bloody angry if these newbies didnt try to get their hands on the older lps, just cause it would be suchhh a shame if they didnt. i have nothing to say about OBTN coz i havent formed any opinions yet, however, i can safely say kol's albums have all been genius and distinct from one another , that is, many sounds have been established by this band on each lp. point is - these new fans who love sex on fire better try to take into account their other shiz - coz theyre a great band, and i dunno, they just deserve it. fair enough if they dont like it (as theyre completely diffo sounding than OBTN) .. but still, i dont want their older work to be disregarded. coz its farking amazing.
thats my biggest fear in my current state of mind
btw - every time i have turned the radio on in the past two weeks a kol song has been playing or has been played ... and on mainstream radio . so weird how triple j the only alternative radio station has been playing them for five years.. i just dont get how mainstream are giving away copies of obtn and playing the entire cd at allocated times (lol sometimes i get the feeling their label is a actually paying these stations to do so - or am i naive? has this always been a marketing strategy?)..they just better be appreciated for their older stuff, too.
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Post by kim111 on Sept 23, 2008 10:15:21 GMT
im not gonna bother saying my opinions about alot of the points people have made. but i would like to point out that the interviews we have seen on this recent promotion splurge have been a bit shitty i personally dont think thats the fault of the kings but the fault of crap interviewers just covering the same old rubbish over and over.
miquita oliver in the t4 interview is a pretty perfect example. she was talking about how people didnt believe they were brothers, what balls! did anyone believe that??? maybe one person said it 4 yrs ago it was soo not relevent to this album and the performance. i dont usually have a problem with zane lowe but the gonzo interview was centered around the scent of the boys, i mean wtf? they were there they seemed willing to chat and he is asking them crap about their night out instead of the album.
anyway thats my only point wouldnt you be annoyed and maybe get pissed off in an interview when you are talking about the same old stuff for like 5 years probably by the same interviewers when you want to talk about your new stuff personally the comparison to these crap interviews is the 22nd day home vid when caleb gets to talk freely about what he wants thats where i saw his honesty etc and he didnt seem arrogant or whatever.
sorry for the off point rant but i felt the need.
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Post by groupielove on Sept 23, 2008 12:58:38 GMT
i know what u mean kim - its like EVERY interview has a focus on their upbringing.. yes, its interesting and all, but its nothing that a quick google search can't fill you in on.
they've been making music for 5 yrs now - past interviews have asked these questions countless times. give em something more insightful to talk about already!
"so growing up you moved around with your preacher father and blah blah".. we know we know. its interesting, but very old. move on.
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Post by kim111 on Sept 23, 2008 12:59:30 GMT
exactly!! it makes the fact that they are sometimes not great at interviews very understandable!
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Post by georgie11 on Sept 24, 2008 0:31:22 GMT
OK.. Didn't quite get to read everyone's comments because I have a University assignment due in a few hours and I am yet to start it BUT.
I am always scared when a band I like releases a new album. RHCP's (and please don't sexually abuse/assassinate me for bringing them up) new album is a complete downgrade from their old stuff.. I mean there are a few genius tracks on there and the guitar is always amazing with RHCP but after I saw them degrade their purity as a band (or maybe just grow old/mature).. I have always been nervous about bands releasing new albums.
As for the Sex on Fire videoclip... I never saw it as being a commercial thing... I just saw it as a beautiful piece of art. It has so many nice aesthetics and the motifs/symbols were so clever... even though most of them turned out to mean NOTHING! haha. But I suppose your interpretation will be from the eye with which you look at it - mine always being the arty eye.
Anyway.. As for their new found popularity... Good on them.. But I have to admit that I almost vomited (I swallowed it) when I heard Sex on Fire being played in SUPRE (a trashy tween clothes shop in Australia). Luckily JB Hi Fi was about 100m away! But yeah... I do miss having them to myself (like what happened with MGMT before they suddenly became HUGE in a matter of months!).
So yeah... Appreciate this thread and that MATURITY has been kept!
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Post by georgie11 on Sept 24, 2008 0:43:59 GMT
OK... splurged a bit more of my time from my assignment and read the rest of the thread.... YES! Interviews with them piss me off so much! The interviewers just recycle questions from all the other older ones! They should do some more research and actually realise that whoever is watching it has either already heard it OR can easily go find out for themselves as it is in EVERY other interview.
If I were to interview them I would be like:
"For those of you who know nothing about their origins... get yourself onto Wikipedia now! Now onto their music......."
It must be so frustrating for them... It's always about their past, their partying and drugs. Nothing new I suppose.. If there is anything that has been publicised like that the media will always pick up on it and exploit it in EVERY interview!
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