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Post by beplumcrazy on Mar 22, 2010 16:06:24 GMT
i'm wondering if they'll have a machine to scan the credit cards? i'm worried cause the card i used expires next month so i wont have the exact card i used.
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Post by ncox10021 on Mar 22, 2010 17:00:30 GMT
Wow this could be a real pisser for a lot of people. Think about the poor sods who buy tickets from touts!
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Post by Erin on Mar 22, 2010 17:03:04 GMT
Might be a way to discourage buying from touts?
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Post by Savanna on Mar 22, 2010 18:58:03 GMT
Ebay sellers say they will "personally escort" the buyer to the venue. Creepy.
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Post by tamtam on Mar 22, 2010 19:11:44 GMT
But you probably have a job at least, right? oh I didn't know you didn't have a job But I didn't have a job last year and I still found a way to see them in Kentucky and I just got my job back last month and I'm going to try my damnest to get tickets to see them in Riverbend I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed for you Shelly... I really hope you can work something out!!!
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Post by ncox10021 on Mar 22, 2010 19:26:17 GMT
They will personally escort you to the venue?
I'm mad that we don't get physical tickets - I like to keep them as souvenirs!
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Post by rexrupert on Mar 22, 2010 19:34:55 GMT
I have two reserved seats for Dallas, had no clue they had PIT. Anyone willing to trade Reserved for PIT? Mine are at Will-Call.
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Post by rockchick26 on Mar 22, 2010 20:17:53 GMT
^ Yeah but since everyone has to do the same thing, I'm hoping it won't be that bad. Oh you mean they aren't giving out regular tickets AT ALL for this tour? That would upset me cuz I collect my ticket stubs and paper just does not hold up well very long!
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Post by rockchick26 on Mar 22, 2010 20:20:24 GMT
i'm wondering if they'll have a machine to scan the credit cards? i'm worried cause the card i used expires next month so i wont have the exact card i used. OMG Carrie!!! You just helped me solve my problem I've been having!! My card WAS expired!!! But you get a new one to replace that one (it should come in the same month it expires)...what happened was I got my new card but I never changed the expiration date on my Ticketmaster account!!! AARRGGGHHHH Now i'm really pissed cuz I could have gotten a GA ticket on Friday if I had remembered to do this!! OMG I hate myself for life.
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Post by rockchick26 on Mar 22, 2010 20:25:40 GMT
But you probably have a job at least, right? oh I didn't know you didn't have a job But I didn't have a job last year and I still found a way to see them in Kentucky and I just got my job back last month and I'm going to try my damnest to get tickets to see them in Riverbend I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed for you Shelly... I really hope you can work something out!!! Yeah I've been out of work for a year and 2 months with no prospects in sight. That's why my credit card is almost to it's limit. I think right now the only way I'll be able to go is if I get a job somehow and it pays just as much as my last one, otherwise I still won't be able to pay off my credit card! Ugh, i'm still reeling from my stupid mistake, I have to thank Carrie for inadvertently reminding me of it otherwise I probably would have never been able to use Ticketmaster again!!
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Post by beplumcrazy on Mar 22, 2010 21:01:11 GMT
my two cents on paperless tickets: 1- it helps stop scalpers selling tickets for $500 because honestly who wants someone to murder and rape them escort them to the gate (not to mention i know for a fact at the STL venue there are multiple gates to get through! 2- it helps ticketmaster rape us more because if you can't go to the show you can't sell your ticket to someone (even if your nice and sell it for face value) and you can't get a refund from ticketmaster 3- this is gonna make my box of ticket stubs feel very sad and lonely
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Post by rockchick26 on Mar 22, 2010 21:14:30 GMT
But all those people on Craigslist, Ebay and Stubhub are re-selling theirs...does that mean ALL those people are going to have to go to the show anyway just to let the people in who bought their ticket? That is retarded. Maybe I'm glad I didn't get involved with this mess LOL Cuz if I had bought a ticket and ended up not able to go, that means I would have had to travel to Chicago which is 8 hours away just to let this person in?
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Post by ncox10021 on Mar 22, 2010 21:42:19 GMT
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Post by rockchick26 on Mar 22, 2010 21:56:21 GMT
THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT! I want to plan a revolt! This will completely ruin going to concerts for me. There is nothing good about this. Scalpers may piss off a lot of people but for every person who can't get a ticket, there is another person who is thanking their lucky stars they were able to get one. And no more buying tickets for other people! And no more getting to the venue whenever you want to! And what about all the kids who don't have credit cards? Everyone under the age of 18 would have to go with their parents (or whoever bought their ticket, someone NOT their age). And how in the hell do they figure the lines will be easier to get through!? You have to show them 2 things, rather than having them scan your ticket. This will make lines take twice as long! This totally ruined my hope in the future of concertgoing.
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Post by NikLovesLeb on Mar 22, 2010 21:56:51 GMT
i dont have a problem with the paperless ticket.
I mean a page ago people were moaning how scalpers are selling tix on Ebay for $8K.
And that's an imperfect, but some kind of way to control this bs with the scalpers.
Besides, the artists choose whether to go for the policy for their concerts. So blame KOL, i guess. It's promoter's decision, NOT Ticketmaster's (though they are asshole for their charges).
Expired credit cards would have no effect on your ability to enter the venue, btw.
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Post by Savanna on Mar 22, 2010 22:12:35 GMT
I agree with all the hatred for the paperless tickets. Yeah we all hate scalpers, they're low people, but you know what? Sometimes that ends up being the saving grace for those who couldn't get tickets the normal way.
I don't see how this paperless thing can bring anything but grief (well..besides being better for the environment..!).
I just hope to God that I can get away with using my mom's credit card without her being present.
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Post by Erin on Mar 22, 2010 22:14:58 GMT
Would you mind to post the full article? I can only read about 10 lines before it says I have to subscribe to read the rest. If it's really long & you don't want to clutter up this thread, PM is much appreciated too. Cheers.
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Post by rockchick26 on Mar 22, 2010 22:18:41 GMT
I mean a page ago people were moaning how scalpers are selling tix on Ebay for $8K. I would much rather blame myself for not being able to get a ticket in time, than have to deal with all these other problems now. All the stupid rules are worse than the original problem. I am starting to think scalpers aren't so horrible. The only reason it's illegal is because Ticketmaster said so. A few times I've been able to go to a concert BECAUSE there were scalpers there. If there is a demand for the overpriced tickets, I say keep scalping them. At least before there werent all these rules and stipulations just for going to a concert. I heard that eventually Ticketmaster will be doing this for all their tickets they sell. Maybe it's an option right now because as far as I know only a few artists have tried it but they were the ones testing it.
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Post by rockchick26 on Mar 22, 2010 22:21:48 GMT
I agree with all the hatred for the paperless tickets. Yeah we all hate scalpers, they're low people, but you know what? Sometimes that ends up being the saving grace for those who couldn't get tickets the normal way. It isn't just scalpers that get screwed though, it's us! I had to sell my ticket for Nashville last year because I couldn't go, I didn't ask for $300 for it, I put it up for $50 and the demand raised it that high. I am not a low person, I was simply letting people fight it out for my ticket which is what anyone would do if they had no money and had people wanting their ticket. It isn't even better for the environment because they still give you a paper receipt after you get inside, so what difference does it make if you get a paper ticket or a paper receipt? The only way I can see it happening is if venues take our side and don't follow the rules and let people in anyway!
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Post by ncox10021 on Mar 22, 2010 22:32:34 GMT
Here's the full article - sorry Erin - I didn't realize the link wouldn't show the whole thing.
Ticketmaster Entertainment Inc. may have figured out how to lock scalpers out of a major concert tour, and it plans to use singer Miley Cyrus as its guinea pig.
The centerpiece of the ticketing giant's anti-scalping strategy is eliminating, well, the tickets.
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Miley Cyrus, shown in 2007, will be a pioneer in using paperless tickets. Miley Cyrus Miley Cyrus
Ms. Cyrus's 45-date outing this fall, for which seats go on sale starting Monday, will be the first major concert tour to rely exclusively on "paperless tickets," according to a news release announcing the tour.
The technology, which Ticketmaster tested last year, is meant to make seats impossible to sell or transfer because they can be redeemed only at the concert, using the credit card with which they were bought. The plan has scalpers and resale sites crying foul.
Tickets for the concerts by Ms. Cyrus, the star of Walt Disney Co.'s popular "Hannah Montana" TV series, will cost $39.50 to $79.50, plus fees. When purchasers arrive at the concert, their credit card will be swiped with a handheld scanner that will print out a "seat locator."
Ticketmaster also plans to offer prime seats as part of premium packages that include other perks. That will allow Ms. Cyrus and the company to capture revenue that normally flows to scalpers.
Concert promoters and scalpers are often foes. Promoters object to the way scalpers grab hold of tickets early and resell them for sometimes many multiples of their face value. That limits a promoter's ability to control prices. It also keeps the promoter from sharing in markups the tickets can command in the resale market.
Most states have legalized scalping in recent years, and professional scalpers say they are just charging what the market will bear. They predict the new paperless tickets will cause problems ranging from bottlenecks at concert sites -- the system requires, for example, that all members of the same party enter at the same time -- to personal-safety risks for Ms. Cyrus's fans and their parents.
Ms. Cyrus's previous tour, in 2007, became a flashpoint in the debate over ticket resales. The attorneys general of Arkansas and Missouri investigated whether scalpers had broken laws to acquire seats quickly, and the Kansas City Council held hearings. Ticketmaster alleged that many brokers had used special software that let them snap up tickets more quickly than normal fans, in violation of its terms of service.
This time, it appears unlikely that parents will have scalpers to blame if they can't get their children tickets. Unlike most tours, there have been almost no Miley Cyrus seats "prelisted" on resale sites like eBay Inc.'s StubHub in the days leading up to Monday's kickoff of sales.
StubHub spokesman Sean Pate says the company is looking for a way to resell the tickets, but adds that it won't be ready when tickets go on sale -- if ever. "We're going to do our very best to create a marketplace for these events, if at all possible," Mr. Pate said in an interview. "[But] we will not have a solution built out by Monday."
Mr. Pate contends that the paperless arrangement will cause long lines at venues and force parents to accompany children who don't have their own credit cards. He charges that it could even put Ms. Cyrus's young fans at risk: "On Craigslist you're going to see these listings saying, 'Hey, 13-year-old girls, I'll meet you at the venue and get you into the show.'"
Ticketmaster executives and spokesmen say they will have a dedicated staff of up to 10 people on hand at every venue to work out problems. The company posted a video on its Web site demonstrating how to buy and redeem paperless tickets. They add that the decision to go paperless was up to the tour's promoter, AEG Live, along with Ms. Cyrus and her manager, who works for Ticketmaster's artist-management division. Given the problems that arose on Ms. Cyrus's last tour, said AEG Live President and Chief Executive Randy Phillips, "Certainly this was the one to try this on."
Pearl Jam, Nine Inch Nails and others have long used similar models to cut down on the resale of tickets they allot to fan-club members. Last year, Ticketmaster used paperless tickets for some seats at shows by AC/DC, Tom Waits and Metallica. All those events went relatively smoothly, although fans who attended the shows reported delays getting in.
Competitors worry that the paperless ticketing strategy will give Ticketmaster and its clients unchallenged power to dictate prices, a power they fear would be amplified if the Justice Department clears its proposed merger with giant concert promoter Live Nation Inc.
"They're using their monopoly on the primary market to lock up the secondary market," says Don Vaccaro, chief executive of online ticket reseller TicketNetwork. Ticketmaster denies that it holds a monopoly.
As it tries to muscle out scalpers, Ticketmaster is trying to capture some of their income by offering its own premium-priced tickets. Ticketmaster's I Love All Access division promises on its Web site that it will soon be offering "VIP packages" to the Miley Cyrus tour. Such packages usually include prime seats and invitations to backstage parties, and cost several times a normal ticket's price.
I Love All Access is part of Front Line Management, which manages Ms. Cyrus. Ticketmaster acquired Front Line last year and made the management company's chief executive, Irving Azoff, CEO of the combined company.
Neither Ms. Cyrus's publicist nor her manager, Jason Morey, returned phone calls requesting comment. Through a spokesman, Mr. Azoff declined to comment.
Ticketmaster Chief Technology Officer Brian Pike says that the company hasn't been asked to offer "platinum seats" -- higher-priced tickets it sometimes offers as a way to appeal to fans willing to pay extra for the best seats.
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